Is this really the way things are with the pro level markers?

[SlartyBartFast]

Remember, the rule is "1 shot, 1 pull [of the trigger]". Breaking it down...

1. count the shots (duh)
2. count the 'pulls'

The 'pull', the action that causes a shot, might be a little fuzzy.

More than 'fuzzy'. How do you reliably count pulls?

[Twitch_DGA]

i too think that agd has some marketing probs, but is far as performance i dont think they are lacking. i can walk my ult around 10-12 bps easy, and thats fully mech. i dont have to worry about shoot down, or chopping paint. the thing is light, and accruat as h*ll too. i think that agd has been bad mouthed out of the top market place with roomers, and seriotypes. as far as electro markers shooting to fast, and pros shooting over 20 bps i doubt it. every time i see a vid of dinasty, or other pro teams all the rapid fire is at the break. not much after that that looks above 12 bps. they dont wased there paint, they seem more selective about there shots than the players you see at your local feild. i dont think bounce should be leagal though, because you dont have to think about trading speed for acuracy. the trigger dose the work and your gun dose not move as much. it just takes a little more skill and feness out of the sport.

[Scott Hudnall]

This seems like old news....all through the thread. The Jan 2004 Facefull magazine did an entire spread on this issue.

Being a former field owner, I think this issue will come down to 2 possibilities: paintball will need to deal with this through self regulation (doubtful....the cat's outta the box already), or insurance providers will deal with it for them.

So....if there's any paintball insurance carriers monitoring this thread.....how about some input here?????

[Tapper]

This seems like old news....all through the thread. The Jan 2004 Facefull magazine did an entire spread on this issue.

Being a former field owner, I think this issue will come down to 2 possibilities: paintball will need to deal with this through self regulation (doubtful....the cat's outta the box already), or insurance providers will deal with it for them.

So....if there's any paintball insurance carriers monitoring this thread.....how about some input here?????

People will not do anything until someone gets shot in the eye and a lawsuit follows. Then all of a sudden they will huff and puff and pretend to put effort into it. Things may change temporarily but nothing significant and nothing long term.

[Stimulation]

Counting trigger pulls has to be about the stupidest thing I have heard all day...

[hitech]

Yes, and it would only catch a portion, and you would have a lot of contested decisions with players claiming that the camera wasn't catching enough detail of their finger movement to see clearly.

Not necessarily. If the video cameras were high speed (anyone know what the frame rate is on those?) there should be enough detail. And we are not talking about one or two shorts that do not have an associated finger movement. I'm talking about a pattern of the marker firing while the finger(s) are obviously not doing the work, as in moving in the wrong direction. A few random cameras and some stiff penalties when it is indisputable and I think the problem would be GREATLY reduced. Right now it is SO easy to get away with everyone is doing it. You are at a disadvantage ( however slight) if you don't.

[SlartyBartFast]

A few random cameras and some stiff penalties when it is indisputable and I think the problem would be GREATLY reduced.

And how much would THAT cost.

TOp end cameras with the skilled cameramen to be able to get closeups that show both the balls exiting the barrel (or highly directional and filtered sound) and the trigger.

Good luck.

[hitech]

And how much would THAT cost.

TOp end cameras with the skilled cameramen to be able to get closeups that show both the balls exiting the barrel (or highly directional and filtered sound) and the trigger.

Good luck.

You don't need a top end camera, nor skilled cameramen. You just start with a good camera with a good frame rate and the operator gets OJT. You may not "catch" anyone the first few times, but you will gain invaluable experence and you will know how well it will work. After reading Bills post, I'd bet you could catch a few people with a "regular" camera.

The real point is, you need to start somewhere. You need to make an attempt, but a little real effort into it.

Another idea, is put the camera in a metal box and have the operator wear headphones. Based on Bills observations you'd scare half the players out of cheating!

[GoatBoy]

Counting trigger pulls has to be about the stupidest thing I have heard all day...

I'd say you were having a pretty good day then.