Is this really the way things are with the pro level markers?

[SlartyBartFast]

I'm positive that I could build it and keep it hidden. Unless your going to confiscate ALL my equipment and clothes, I'd be able to do it. If I can figure out how to do this, imagine what someone who is actually on a "pro" team and wants to cheat can do.

http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/gallery.htmBIGGESTFEELING the hit according to rules 10.01 and 10.02 of the PSP rules as it is NOT obvious that the paint must break if you consider just those two rules and that could be possible as the section is not clearly defined as simple definitions and that eliminations are in fact supposed to be determined by rules 10.2. But, failing to stop and check for a hit as soon as an obvious hit occurs IS a clear and undefendable contravention of rule 10.05. Failing to call a paintcheck is a clear contravention of 10.06. Even the quarter sized mark is NOTCURRENTANYTHING you want with little in the way to prove to organisers or field owners that the board is REALLYPLAYERS

[SlartyBartFast]

This cheating topic was talked about in detail in a couple of threads a few months back. If I remember, you are one of the people that gives me a headache reading your posts. If I were you I would avoid commenting on this subject, you do not understand it on many levels. Yes, really. You do not. And most of you cannot except for the engineers and some sharp people who frequent these forums. Most of you simply do not have the foundation to begin understanding the problems that stem from the technology and are sputtering absolute nonsense - and you do not have the foundation to understand this very sentence and how it is true, and probably find it insulting.

I don't find it insulting. I find your grasp of my understanding and capabilities laughable.

I guess my four years of study for a bachelor's of engineering (Mechanical Engineering - Automotive Design), participation in many student competitions from robotics to building off-road racers, learning computer programming from the age of about 15 and programming in Pascal, FORTRAN, Assembler, C, and various scripts, playing paintball since about 1989/90 and 10+ years of working in the the rail transportation industry dealing with very hightech hydraulic, pneumatic, electric, electronic, and computer controlled and networked systems and using scripting and SGML/XML technologies doesn't give me any background that might be applicable to discussing the subject.

You're the one getting the headache. So who's not qualified?

[SlartyBartFast]

It's called an Intellifeed cable.

Which would have to be used in conjunction with a board that was designed to communicate with the board in the hopper. So, you've got to hide the USD/Serial/SPI or other communication port connections between the fake intellifeed cable and the cheater board controller in the gun.

Yup, it's easy to do.

[hitech]

No problem, you don't know me. Read the warpig article for yourself. You can see for yourself how easy it would be. BTW, I'm not going to build it as I don't want to waste the money.

Rules are designed to stop a specific form of current cheating or unfair play, or to regulate undesirable or unclear situations.

Sure, but to attempt to implement a costly, difficult and time consuming method of rule enforcement that requires cooperation of many companies that is easily circumvented just doesn't make sense. Besides the fact that under the current environment it will never happen.


One of my pet peeves. The rule should be that if you continue to shoot after being marked you are penalized. Make the player responsible for determining if they are eliminated. It's been done before and I believe it was working well. If you don't like that, you could add SPECIFIC places that are considered "unobvious" and only require calling for a paint check.

Some of the problems could actually be solved with non technological rules and enforcement... enforcement of overshooting rules...

As I said above, THAT needs to be done. It is probably the easiest way to start curbing cheating. And it is a safety issue. Combine it with making the player responsible for calling themselves out and you have an effecting, easily "doable" start at curbing cheating. The problem is (as you probably realize) that not enough people are interested in curbing cheating.


That might be workable, but the above two ideas need to come FIRST. If those can't even be done, who can we expect more complicated ideas to ever work.


We don't really disagree all that much.

[SlartyBartFast]

Read the warpig article for yourself. You can see for yourself how easy it would be. BTW, I'm not going to build it as I don't want to waste the money.

currently

[AGDlover]

ok to everyone who believes the electos are mainly good for turnys, I'm running my all mech mag in major turnys this year starting with chi open. so think about that so really its not about speed its about useing your set up correctly.

[hitech]

BTW, I'm continuing to attempt to convince you it is easy because it's slow around here lately. This is about the only thread that is interesting.

Not exactly. I would build a small table that would allow for a few seconds of pulses at varied timings. This would give the "appearance" of manual trigger operation. Especially considering what players are getting away with now, I don't think anyone is going to notice that the pattern repeats itself every few seconds.

How big a coil and how much power do you need to affect the HES in the right way?

Granted, my understanding of HES specifics is a little limited, I doubt it would take much. Especially if the source is right up against the HES housing.


A small membrane switch in a finger would toggle it on an off. Changing the position of your hand would also stop it as it needs to be close to the HES. The "pattern table" should keep it from seeming like fullauto.

Are you willing to risk a malfunction or other detection of the cheat then? How about forfeiting ALL points for the entire season?

Well, I'm not willing at all, but that apparently wouldn't stop others. I know someone who played FULLAUTO at a MAJOR tournament. He was tired of getting hammered with bouncing markers that were effectively fullauto anyway. He was willing to risk whatever that would have cost him. How said is it that he got away with it.

What really gets me worked up is that we had more technology and oversight running local KubKar (Pinewood Derby) races in the Scouts than paintball has controls and checks for equipment used.

Now there is an understatement if I've ever heard one!

[SlartyBartFast]

What's really sad, is the 10 year old Cub Scouts whined less too. :rofl:

Mind you, the parents were always much worse. :rofl:


PS: Where'd ya go Tapper? Not willing to back up your putdown/insult or live up to your error?

Or is your brain hurting too much? :rofl:


I will now take a selfimposed timeout to atone for the overuse of smilies and the horror of using bananaman...

[hitech]

What's really sad, is the 10 year old Cub Scouts whined less too. :rofl:

Mind you, the parents were always much worse. :rofl:

Yeah, when my neice was doing pinewood derbys they ended up having a separate "fathers" race. :rofl:

[SlartyBartFast]

Yeah, when my neice was doing pinewood derbys they ended up having a separate "fathers" race. :rofl:

This is really off-topic now (but nobody else seems to be left in the room).

We really ticked people off. One Year I won second place. Next year my brother won first place. Year after, my brother won first place with the same car AND second place with a new car. Year after that, won first place with the same car again and third place with a car that was made by cutting the block into a wedge and painting it (a couple hours work and the time for the paint to dry).

It's all in where you place your weight and attach your wheels.

[hitech]

I never really got to race when I was a kid. The first time we (my dad an me) went we took a car that followed the rules. Unfortunatly for us, that was the ONLY car that followed the rules! That experence soured us both.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

[Tapper]

I don't find it insulting. I find your grasp of my understanding and capabilities laughable.

I guess my four years of study for a bachelor's of engineering (Mechanical Engineering - Automotive Design), participation in many student competitions from robotics to building off-road racers, learning computer programming from the age of about 15 and programming in Pascal, FORTRAN, Assembler, C, and various scripts, playing paintball since about 1989/90 and 10+ years of working in the the rail transportation industry dealing with very hightech hydraulic, pneumatic, electric, electronic, and computer controlled and networked systems and using scripting and SGML/XML technologies doesn't give me any background that might be applicable to discussing the subject.

You're the one getting the headache. So who's not qualified?

It is a pity that with all the time and money you invested, your brain does not perform any better and you are unable to apply what you have studied. With this in mind, my line of argumentation will be lost on you as well - so I write this for the entertainment of others. Do you realize that what "qualifications" you have mentioned are trivial and not pertinent to the subject in discussion? If it makes you feel better I started programming when I was 3 and knew all of the languages you mentioned before I was 15. Also, one of my degrees is more pertinent to this topic than yours. But unlike you, I understand why these things are not worthy of mention and are irrelevant for determining one's qualifications and judgment on this topic. It does not change how right I am, and it does not make you less wrong.

[Miscue]

It is a pity that with all the time and money you invested, your brain does not perform any better and you are unable to apply what you have studied. With this in mind, my line of argumentation will be lost on you as well - so I write this for the entertainment of others. Do you realize that what "qualifications" you have mentioned are trivial and not pertinent to the subject in discussion? If it makes you feel better I started programming when I was 3 and knew all of the languages you mentioned before I was 15. Also, one of my degrees is more pertinent to this topic than yours. But unlike you, I understand why these things are not worthy of mention and are irrelevant for determining one's qualifications and judgment on this topic. It does not change how right I am, and it does not make you less wrong.

Ok... I understand the point you are making and I won't say whether I agree with it or not, but I believe I understand it. However, I've already warned you on being combative with AOers and I'm going to call you on disruptive behavior/flaming like I warned you about. You can easily say the same thing without being uncivil.

3-Day Ban.

[swat150]

Back to the point about guns ramping like mad. It has never seize to anoy me with these new electronic guns. Ramping as you would say up to 33 bps. Its stupid, unfair, and should not be allowed on feilds. I go to my local feild and see new players playing with tippman 98s, getting wailed on by the cheap *** guns. I have some potential talent as you may say. Hand me one of these 33bps and I could rock your shorts, however me being a lower end middle class junior cannot afford one of these guns, and is stuck with a pirahna. I am so annoyed at these companys these days making these ridiculous guns. Alot of our feilds new customers turn away from paintball after just on day of it, all because of these cheap *** guns.

[FallNAngel]

If it makes you feel better I started programming when I was 3

I find that very hard to believe.