how do you punish a fellow player?

[Creative Mayhem]

I would take his gun away and make him play naked.

GO GET THE FLAG NAKED BOY!

[LaW]

crazy canadians

[JoshK]

I am sure this isn't the first time this guy has acted up. It is just the latest incident.

He already stated that this was a random thing.

I completely agree.

What really stands out for me here, he shot him in the neck. That, right there, should get him kicked. Ovbiously it wasn't an impulse act. He waited untill they were exiting the field and shot the other guy in the back of the neck. Unless I am reading this incorrectly..??? To me it sounds as if he shot him with intent to injure him. There is a small difference between getting mad and shooting back, and being vindictive.

The place he shot him at is what bothers me the most. In the game, you expect to be hit with paintballs. He was hit. I can see how this could have flared his emotions, being it came from a player on his own team. What is so bad, he shot the guy back? It is not that he shot back, it is the underlieing intent. He wanted to shoot him back, to humiliate him as he was. That wasn't enough, he had to do it in a way to injure the player. Have his revenge. <--- is why he needs to be kicked. I would not play on a team with someone so vindictive he would shoot his own teamates point blank to the neck.

If he turned around and immediately shot him back, suspend him for awhile or fine him. He went out of his way to shoot him in the neck it sounds. This should not be tolerated at all. I would say kick him from the team.

Whomever is more experienced has nothing to do with it. What happens if he blows off at a tourny? You are mowing everyone and he does something stupid. What then? If you leave him on the team, it is going to lead to worse things...

This was on the field, and they got into a argument and he shot the guy, no where does it sound like he planned to shoot him...im not condoneing his actions, but the other guy forgave him, and this is a isolated incident...if that guy can forgive him, i think you guys can forgive him...


I say give him a speech, maybe don't let him play for a while, make up a nice little rule book and a little contract new/existing players have to sign about conduct, and then forgive him...

You may not agree with what i say, he was wrong, but he made a mistake...no matter how wrong it was...it was still a mistake, and everyone makes them.

[Mister Sinister]

The incident is something that I would have zero tolerance for. The fact that he is the more expierenced player makes it worse in my eyes. He should know that sometimes accidents happen, he should be aware of safety and good sportsman conduct. Some might say well he lost his head it was isolated it may not happen again. But if the intensity of try outs brought this on whats he gonna do when something similar happens during a tourney? This is easy to solve as it happend within your own team what if this was at a tourney and it was another teams player? For me I would cut him and be done with it. If i was feeling extremely generous I would bench him for the semester but require him to make all practices and work as hard as anyone else. Going into the next semester it would still be made clear that he would be on probationary status. But i'm not that generous of a person its just an idea.

[GA Devil]

we have 50 laps or the gauntlet for my team. If a player lets the team down is any way they can choose the gauntlet which is where the stat on the side of the 50 and have to run to the other side and back, no gear no bunkers. While the rest of the team that was let down are shooting down field "explaining" how it felt to be let down in such a way. Yes its a bit harsh but you dont have many reacuring instances happen. Or they can choose 50 laps which is done before practice and if the laps interfere with the practice where they take too long or tires them out too much they are right back to letting the team down.

[JoshK]

we have 50 laps or the gauntlet for my team. If a player lets the team down is any way they can choose the gauntlet which is where the stat on the side of the 50 and have to run to the other side and back, no gear no bunkers. While the rest of the team that was let down are shooting down field "explaining" how it felt to be let down in such a way. Yes its a bit harsh but you dont have many reacuring instances happen. Or they can choose 50 laps which is done before practice and if the laps interfere with the practice where they take too long or tires them out too much they are right back to letting the team down.

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I wouldnt want to let you guys down if i was on your team...

[Hexis]

You want to win right?

And so summarizes what I feel is the major problem with most paintball players. Winning is held above all else. Personally I hold Honor above a W in the results column. If I can't play with honor, why bother? If a teammate can't, then they don't belong on my team.

[felony]

we have 50 laps or the gauntlet for my team. If a player lets the team down is any way they can choose the gauntlet which is where the stat on the side of the 50 and have to run to the other side and back, no gear no bunkers. While the rest of the team that was let down are shooting down field "explaining" how it felt to be let down in such a way. Yes its a bit harsh but you dont have many reacuring instances happen. Or they can choose 50 laps which is done before practice and if the laps interfere with the practice where they take too long or tires them out too much they are right back to letting the team down.

appears as thought it has happened before..

just the problem.

first time offense
first time problem
first time anything
first time we have had to think of a punishment.

[GA Devil]

yes its a first time offense and so on. This will also show ya who is loyal and really wanting to be apart of what your trying to do.

[davidnj]

Since we live in a society of second chances its hard to sit here and say that he shouldnt get a 2nd shot since this was a first time incident. That said, I think you need to boot him. Let him learn his lesson and get his 2nd chance with another team, I wouldnt want to play with somebody who could do something so dangerous and stupid.

[Bad_Dog]

that is completly unacceptable...

any act of intentional harm to another player (on or off the field) is unacceptable, just as if it was any other sport. Off the field however the steaks go up as people are usually unexpecting and unprepared. Just think what would have happened had the expierienced player had missed and hit another player...? what if someone in the area didnt have a mask and in that split second of anger he permanently handicapped someone??

That itself is why people playing this game have to be respectfull of the power they behold... one click of a 25gram switch and 50% of someones vision is gone... simple as that, no going back.

[1ofkind]

If the guy that shot the kid was being an donkey and didn't relize that was the stupidest thing anyone has ever done in the history of paintball and I was that kid, I'd press charges and make sure that criminal isn't aloud near anything that can even project a papperclip.
es also a threat to the good name of your team. Don't let a jerk on your team, find some guy thats really cool and will be there for you guys. Thats worth more than some poser anyday, and in the short run he'll be playing much better if you tell him how to and why

[RTDynaflow]

This was on the field, and they got into a argument and he shot the guy, no where does it sound like he planned to shoot him...im not condoneing his actions, but the other guy forgave him, and this is a isolated incident...if that guy can forgive him, i think you guys can forgive him...

You are missing it.. he didn't just shoot him, he shot him in the neck. I am sorry, but he didn't have to raise his gun up to aim at his neck. Wether he planned it for a minute or a year, it was not impulse. They were exiting, he stops, raises his weapon, and takes aim to the area that would cause the most harm. There is a big difference between shooting someone who is looking at you and shooting someone who has their back turned.

If I was the kid who got shot, I would be pressing charges. That is bull****. Infact, something very similar happened to me 3 weeks ago. I was playing rec ball with some newbies on the local hyperball field. Off the break a guy from the other team somehow gets all the way back to the A where I was. I see him, as he gets around we both shoot at the same time. Both of us are out. My teammate accross the field mistakenly shot me for him. Three tiimes. He didn't realize I was on his team, or that I was out. Did I go cus him out and shoot the little guy in the face? Hell no. People can show some restraint. Everyone makes mistakes; everyone lives up to the punishment of thos mistakes.

felony, I would talk to the rest of the teams (excluding those two) about this. See there opinions, they matter more then mine, pbnewbies or laws. If you decide to keep him on, and the people on your team feel as strongly about this as some of us, you won't have a team.

we have 50 laps or the gauntlet for my team. If a player lets the team down is any way they can choose the gauntlet which is where the stat on the side of the 50 and have to run to the other side and back, no gear no bunkers. While the rest of the team that was let down are shooting down field "explaining" how it felt to be let down in such a way. Yes its a bit harsh but you dont have many reacuring instances happen. Or they can choose 50 laps which is done before practice and if the laps interfere with the practice where they take too long or tires them out too much they are right back to letting the team down

Hope by letting us down, you mean something stupid along the lines of this. And by no gear you mean no markers and a mask. Otherwise, I would hate to slip and miss my bunker. I don't want to get flogged and stoned . What if I don't take my flogging right and I let my team down agian. You tie me up and go Chris Layosa on my neck ?

[coyote]

I am getting tired of reading "he made a mistake"...

Making a wrong turn is a mistake. Tripping over your own 2 feet is a mistake. This player made a choice. He chose to act with violence towards another player. That on it's own is bad enough, but a teamate to boot.

Yes, I said this isn't the first time he has misbehaved like this. I am sure it isn't. A problem like this is wrapped up in the character of the offender. He didn't just wake up and start acting like a jerk. He has been one for a long time.

Keeping him as a teamate will someday come back and bite the team. He has to much growing up to do to be an asset.

Am I being a hardass? Yes. Because an act like this needs to be met with strength. Doing the right thing is often hard. But not doing it is always sad.

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

And so summarizes what I feel is the major problem with most paintball players. Winning is held above all else. Personally I hold Honor above a W in the results column. If I can't play with honor, why bother? If a teammate can't, then they don't belong on my team.

Perfectly said................