Lets Discuss Accuracy vs Fragile Paint

[lonsch]

like most people have said some angels/impulses break paint some dont. you just cant say angel /impulses break more paint or shoot better than the other one.

also i dont know about you guys but i think a gun with broken paint is not as accurit as a gun that does not break paint :)

on a side note Tom i would LOVE to see some of the info from the gun dino of the other guns. even if i needed to drive to the shop.....

[M-a-s-sDriver]

You still should not wipe, even in a rec game.


Unless it was you your best friend who shot you, and he was ALL THE WAY on the other hill, shooting his Phantom (stock class for the day so we could both get by on 200 rounds between us because we were super stinken' cheapo that weekend) and he just see's you and lets one go, and 20 seconds later it finally hits the ground in front of you, then bounces up and breaks on your leg. Obviously there was no skill used in the shot, it was pure stanky luck, and he normally can't hit a cow's butt with a tennis racket. In this case, It is perfectly acceptable to just wipe his little marky-poo right off and continue doing whatever it was you were doing before you were so rudely interupted. Like sneek around later and shoot his milky-white butt when he is facing the other direction.
HUH, MAUI PFB...???

Brent Jackson, PFB.

[Vegeta]

Wrap your minds around this:
You have a gun with a solenoid driven valve (electricity passes through a coil, magnetically pushing a rod foreward. This rod would be your poppet for the valve.) Now.. sice it is elcetronically controlled, the tiem the valve stays open can be tuned. I say putting a small variable resistor on the board of the gun that would control, in milliseconds, how tong the valve would stay open. Or a dip switch of soemthing. Now, adjusting the valve to stay open longer, and adjutsing the reg to be at a lower pressure, would operate at a low pressure, yet still get the ball up to 280 fps. Now, adjusting the valve to be open a shorter time, and hte reg to use a higher pressure, whould result in a medium pressure op gun. This would use higher pressure, yet shorter bursts of air, and still coem out (wth all fine tuning) to 280 fps.

[laysomepaint]

well, ever since i put a different barrel on my spyder and got a revvy, ive NEVER broke a ball in 6+ cases. But then again, my spyder will NEVER outshoot my revvy without an electro frame, most breaks come because the hopper cant keep up, even at 11 bps, an old revvy eventually wont be fast enough, and at 13, i could see a turborev or Xrev doing it...in fact, warpig did a test on it.


Ive shot a friends excalibur, and done many "tests" with it. The reason it wont chop, is, after its broken in a bit, it cocks at 60psi. That bolt doesnt hurt at all, even at the full 13 bps(theres a cable out that lets you speed it up). It also is EXTREMELY consistent. +/-4 during the winter, and before it got cold, +/-2. Extremely Efficient. he has a 45/4500 and gets alot of shots...dont know an exact number, but through 1 case he filled his tank once little more then halfway through the case. Its biggest problem is that its big. Its not really heavy, but it has size. It also has NO upgrades, and NO companies are interested in putting aftermarket parts out for it, so there arent many cosmetic option avalible...actually none, if you dont mill/annodize it.

I think that *IF* AGD was to make a new gun, they should use the existing design, but make it 2 tube, and put a ram on bottom to move the bolt(or just a tiny ram like on the cocker...even though it has a higher pressure to move it...its the same amount of force...so, it feels the same to the paint). That will help solve chopping problems(pinch instead in some cases). Lower the operating pressure a bit, maybe 200psi or so, and even make it closed bolt. Use a trigger much like the e-mag's(magnets=good) and make sure the ROF is 13bps, though im thinking it would be able to hit 16+ safely. And see how efficient you can get it. Hmm...you could probably even put in a selector switch for closed or open bolt...just degas the marker, move the bolt where it needs to be, and make sure you have the gun's circuit board set accordingly. A hybrid mode like the e-mag's would be nice, but im not sure how it would work. and of course, if it looks great, thats a plus.

Add a q/d bolt, and some crazy burst modes(w/ tournament lockout of course) and you have the "perfect" marker for the company and player, even if it gives into the hype a little bit.

I think i went a bit too far....but started dreaming...anyway, i just described the gun i would attempt to make if i had the resources, and i wasnt using someones patent, and as long as the marker wont chop "average"(brittle) paint, then get it as consitent as you can.

[Nitroduck]

Vegeta, they already have a gun out with a variable valve setting.....Its called the Angel LCD and LED.

You can change it from 10-18ms at the touch of a button....Or the turn of a knob on a LED.

Hate to say it, but this idea has already been done. Why do you think Tom posted pictures of a Angel LCD on the gun dyno? I bet more than anything he was testing different dwell settings and noticing the higher dwell got less gas efficency.