Official Deadlywind hAir trigger update

[Wc Keep]

who gives a rats *** about all this patent bull****. its not going to change the fact that dw will not be releasing their product. cant we all anxiously await the release of the pnuetrigger now?

[Muzikman]

cant we all anxiously await the release of the pnuetrigger now?

That's what most have been doing for the last year or so.

[Wc Keep]

That's what most have been doing for the last year or so.

no youve all been anxiously awaiting the hair trigger. now that thats not released anymore drop it and lets all wait for ptp's.

i bet you all those who were waiting for the hair could care less about ptp's.........

[bunker17]

im going to get this out of my chest eve if i get flamed we should be talking about paintball instead of patents lawyers and companies sueing each other all the time this seems sometimes like a discuss the new business in court type of forum okay with that out of the way i can move on in my life

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

no youve all been anxiously awaiting the hair trigger. now that thats not released anymore drop it and lets all wait for ptp's.

i bet you all those who were waiting for the hair could care less about ptp's.........

I bet most people that said they would buy the hAir upon release wouldn't even pony up the money. As for many products that were hyped on AO...........................

[Wc Keep]

I bet most people that said they would buy the hAir upon release wouldn't even pony up the money. As for many products that were hyped on AO...........................

sad thing is your extremely right cause look how many people said they wanted a pride jersey and never bought them.

[atm743]

hey i have an idea you can sell them as a secrit

jest find a way that you can pm everyone at once saying that you have them for sale no one will know but us that you are selling them.

[shatter_storm]

rant:on

I bet most people that said they would buy the hAir upon release wouldn't even pony up the money. As for many products that were hyped on AO...........................

I've been holding a few hundred dollars in my bank account for this very purpose. When nicad said the hAir was cancelled, I spent it on a new profiler, another barrel kit tip, and a couple of days skiing upcountry. Would I have been happier spending it on the hAir? Yes, the snow really sucked and I didn't really need a 10" tip. Would I have actually spent it on the hAir? In a heartbeat. Will I buy the pneumag trigger? Not at first.

You see, I've had prior experience with deadlywind's products - I bought a dallara body kit. It's well made. It's *beautiful*. It does what I expect. The price is high, but I'm a firm believer in paying for quality.

I've also had prior experience with pro-team products' stuff. I've owned and shot a stealth barrel, I was going to buy another one (or two, for a project mag). I've seen, used, and sold a lot of the f/x gear they make for tippmann's markers. I've used the warp feed adapter, I've mounted a few PTP warp feed kits to markers. The company as a whole leaves me with a good experience, but there's nothing stellar about it, nothing really stands out.

AGD gives me the warm fuzzies, DW gives me the warm fuzzies. Proteam doesn't, for whatever reason. So I'll support the companies in that way - I'd be one of the first in line to pay $500 for a hAir trigger from DW, or a hAir trigger from AGD, because I know neither Colin nor Tom would settle for anything less than high quality gear. I won't do that for proteam, because the blind fanatical trust hasn't settled in yet. Once I'm convinced that they are a company that produces an excellent product all of the time and will stand behind their stuff (not like they havn't in the past, but they've just been yet-another-company), and once I'm convinced that their pneumatic frame works and will be supported, then I'll buy one.


No offense PTP, but just look at the way the two frames are presented to us, the consumer. There's the DW hAir trigger, shown in a *well* *made* video, displaying the trigger action and it's rapid fire capabilities. Then there's the PTP autococker frame video, which isn't the best quality (I know, not a hype video, only had a digicam), which doesn't convey the same impression and is for the *autococker*. I know which one makes me want to buy the product now, and I know which one makes me go "meh".

I know autocockers are used more often than mags, I know it's a more "target-rich" market, and I know it makes no financial sense to develop a frame like this for a mag first. However, I own a mag, I have money, and I want a pneumatic frame for my marker. One of you two companies needs to work out all the little details, launch a hype campaign (again), and then make yourselves rich off of people like me. And you'd best do it soon, before I build my own darn pneumatic frame.

rant:off

[snake_eater]

hAIR=R.A.I.L

PTP

c'mon guys.... do it

[Renegade_Azzy]

Don't forget the Sheridan Equalizer, as well as the Air Power Vector.

Wonder if Crosman likes someone patenting their intellectual property... you might be able to strike a deal with them, and have their weight to put behind this.

(Which brings the question.. does BE own the properties of the Vector from the Rainmaker patent?)

Just an idea :) Good luck either way.

[j.storm]

hey i have an idea you can sell them as a secrit

jest find a way that you can pm everyone at once saying that you have them for sale no one will know but us that you are selling them.

Would that even be legal? I don't think a personal, friend to friend "shop" upgrade would infringe a patant would it? ....not that most folks would want to even deal with that. Nicad's computer would probably explode from all the incoming email :)

[jinxed]

The problem we ran into is that Pro-Team Products was recently
granted a patent on assisted trigger mechanisms for paintball markers.

Given the number of guns with pneumatic triggers in the 90s, as well as all the guns modified to have pneumatic triggers in the 90s (ie reversed cockers), the PTP patent seems to be about as valid as.... that guy who managed to patent the AGD "powerfeed" a few years ago.

It has all been done. Hard to see what legal standing PTP has, other then holding an obviously illegitimate patent.

But, the sad thruth has become NOT who is "right" but who has the most legal muscle to make demands. Paintball has truely reached the status of "rotten to the core".

-Nick
-New England Devil Dogs

[j.storm]

Jinxed -- "Paintball has truely reached the status of "rotten to the core".

so what your saying is that it's just like every over industry in the world

[rabidchihauhau]

J storm,

Yes, it would. Patents confer the right to prevent others from making, distributing, etc the product.

That includes: copying it directly and selling it, making your own 'just for personal use', modifying something else into a form that infringes or selling components that, when assembled, infringe.

On the 'pneumatic triggers'; yes, yes, yes, there were plenty of guns that used pneumatic triggers; all of them were examined and discussed prior to filing the application, none of them are 'prior art' for the PTP patent.

I know that facts and reality can be annoying and that we often try to ignore them, but they're there nonetheless.

[j.storm]

ah. "I see" said the blind man.