Official Deadlywind hAir trigger update

[hitech]

That includes: ...making your own 'just for personal use'...

I do not believe you are correct. As I understand it you can sue for damages. What damages are there? I do not believe there has EVER been a successfull lawsuit against someone for making a patented product for their own use.

[rabidchihauhau]

[Eric Cartman]

...I'd also have the right to seize each and every one of those guns...

So does that mean that you can go and seize RobAGD's and Colin's hAirs?

[Thordic]

I'm sorry, but you are starting to really piss me off.

First, you kill Colin's hAir. Fine, thats all well and good and legal.

Second, you most likely won't have a production version of your frame available within the next year IF EVER.

Now you start threatening people who are interested in making their own since you are KILLING any hope of getting one soon from anyone.

It seems to me you just patented this with the hopes of licensing it. "Patent Squatting" until someones pays you to make their own product.

So go screw. I hope blueprints leak, because you don't have the cash to patrol every tournament and big/scenario game in the US. And what are you going to sue the average paintballer for? How much damages do you expect to settle for from your average guy? Or just enough to piss everyone off?

If I made a Pneutrigger and you tried to sieze it, Id have you thrown in jail for theft, or I'd kick your ***. I'm not sure which.

[Wc Keep]

guys remember that rabid does not work for ptp at the moment. he is just stating facts about the patent process. in no way is it official word from ptp.

this is what happens when you say drop it and everyone and their mother keeps *****ing about it. people get their panties all in a bunch. Who Cares keep playing paintball.

[Thordic]

I don't care if he works for god himself, hes still being an @$%.

I'd also have the right to seize each and every one of those guns.

He's not making any friends with statements like these.

[hitech]

I understand that the law does not allow anyone to make one. However, isn't the only remedy allowed is the recovery of damages? And what damages are there? Wouldn't the patent holder have to show that "I" would have bought one if I hadn't built it myself?

And you would not be able to seize equipment at an event. Not without more than your personal belief that it is covered by your patent.

Come on guys; let's keep this civil. It is an interesting discussion in which we ALL can learn something.

[Lohman446]

. I'd also have the right to seize each and every one of those guns.

Wrong.. you would have the right to ask a court to seize them - but you do not have the right to seize them for infringement without first getting a court order. And then it is likely you could only seize the infrining part (IE WDP suit to seize Shocker grip frames), unless your now claiming a patent to the marker as well?

Now, read all of my posts... I don't know enough about the iternal workings of any of the companies involved to make judgement on the entire idea... but statements like these let me make a judgement of a company as a whole - regardless of there legal rights.

Edit: read late that Rabid does not work for PTP... I applaud PTP, AGD, TK, and Nicad for staying out of this discussion. Few of the people one these boards, myself included, have the business, mechanical, and patent knowledge to make judgement on this issue given some, or for that matter all of the facts surrounding the various factors in these decisions.

[RRfireblade]

I do not believe you are correct. As I understand it you can sue for damages. What damages are there? I do not believe there has EVER been a successfull lawsuit against someone for making a patented product for their own use.

One reason for a clause like that is keep someone for "infringing with no intent to sell",then they sell you a pair of grips for $200 and throw in a free grip frame.

An action such as that would create similar 'damages' as any more obvious infringments and therefore is not exempt from the Patents protections.

[Muzikman]

From what I have been told by very expensive Patent attorneys, you can not prevent someone from making the item on their own (for their own use). You can only get them for mfg, sale (or giving away) the item.

EDIT: for clarity.

[WARPED1]

.....As the game slowly starts to die, the patent wars heats up. Soon the companies will start buying up each other and the "business" of paintball will replace the "sport" of paintball. Players will become consumers or target demo groups whos disposible income will be duly disposed of.

The business of paintball will sell its soul to TV and insurance companies and the business of paintball will be big, flashy and soul-less..... As the game continues to die, we will be encouraged to buy the fastest, hottest, sexyest markers that can waste paint at wallet destroying speeds. A hotter or better marker will be released the following month to keep the cash flowing from the consumers to the businesses. The consumers will start focusing on sponsership to help pay for the rediculously expensive paint and the $1,700 sexy spyders and will loose focus on things like rules, responsibility and fair play.

The great game that was born in the woods will die in the boardroom and what is sad is only a few will ever notice.....

OK, I am off my soap box. Let the flame throwing begin!

All this you have stated has already happened..........except the $1700 Spyder.

[ShooterJM]

From what I have been told by very expensive Patent attorneys, you can not prevent someone from making the item on their own (for their own use). You can only get them for mfg, sale (or giving away) the item.

That's my understanding as well.

You have to admit, it'd be pretty funny if he tried to make a people give up their markers by posting a scrutineer at every major event. Talk about backlash and killing a company through legal bills.

[nippinout]

Thordic, I'm with you on this one.

One thing that bugs me about PTP is not knowing who the heck the man in charge is. Has he even played paintball before? Besides the Tippmann parts, I don't really see any PTP products that I've liked. The Micro wasn't the prettiest gun to look at. I just don't have much faith in PTP in making a quality frame. Prove me wrong.

[rabidchihauhau]

I USED to work for PTP. I wrote the patent applications.

Thordic - I was not saying that I would do any of those things, nor was I implying that PTP would do any of those things. I was speak from a theoretical point of view, as in, what someone could do.

If I'm guilty of anything, its of being lazy in the way that I wrote up the examples. I should have said: "from a theoretical point of view, it would be possible for a patent holder to do something like the following"

Whoever said it is right - I could not seize the guns, it would be a court order to do so. Furthermore, in actuality, if I were being an a-hole about the whole thing, my scrutineer would only be looking for the use of and providing proof of the use of infringing guns, because I would already have served the tournament series with notice. If they did nothing to prevent the use of infringing product, I would then being suing them - forcing them to take a more active stance.

On making one for yourself - it may not ever be enforced because of the impossibility of doing so, but on strict interpretation, you can't do it. I would not suggest doing it, because if it became too common, someone would take action like that mentioned above.

I'm done with discussing these issues. People can't seem to just talk about an issue without taking it personally.

[nippinout]

On making one for yourself - it may not ever be enforced because of the impossibility of doing so, but on strict interpretation, you can't do it. I would not suggest doing it, because if it became too common, someone would take action like that mentioned above.

Not even Smart Parts would think about implementing a Gestapo to patrol paintball fields for guns that infringe a patent.