We Want A PneuMag Frame!!! Email PTP Campaign

[Thordic]

Just because his patent wasn't rejected doesn't mean PTP's isn't valid.

If Colin went ahead with production, even with patent in hand, PTP could still sue. Especially since their patent was granted first.

Which would become very expensive for Colin, since he'd have to slug it out in court with PTP.

Hence, legal issues.

[BD_Paintball]

why would you e-mail them. the hair lost, deal with it e-mailing them isnt going to change anything. i dont know why you ppl thought it would come out in the first place. who cares. you had your minds set on the hair trigger. they will come out with a mag frame sooner or later

[teufelhunden]

You aren't owed anything. When the product hits the market you can buy it.

And the demo video of the cocker one that Jay put out was in a stock WGP hinge.. and that has to do two things. It's probably cheaper for PTP to drop it into an existing frame.

Oh, and you're going to be happy with what comes out or you won't use it, and nobody else can/will make one, so there's really no point in pissing and moaning about it.

[OmniM]

It's probably cheaper for PTP to drop it into an existing frame.

Thought the hAir was in a Intelli ....

[behemoth]

i didnt know nicad designed the telli frame -- neat :)

[barrel break]

You aren't owed anything. When the product hits the market you can buy it.

And the demo video of the cocker one that Jay put out was in a stock WGP hinge.. and that has to do two things. It's probably cheaper for PTP to drop it into an existing frame.

Oh, and you're going to be happy with what comes out or you won't use it, and nobody else can/will make one, so there's really no point in pissing and moaning about it.

If you read the threa on AIR, you will see them saying something about it being a drop in for most semi auto sear guns.

EDIT: as to mail in campaigns, On the Tippmann board, there was a massive campaign to get a ricochet to make loaders for the A-5, and guess what, it worked

EDIT: this is the message i sent (please, do not copy/paste it unless you have no time, it doesnt look good)
Hello,
It is my understanding that legal differences between yourselves and DeadlyWind has lead to the abandonment of their soon-to-be flagship product, a pneumatic trigger system for the AGD automag. I a also under the impression that you are in development of a system similar in operation, I am urging you to release this frame for the automag, as well as your planned releases, there is a large willing customer base, exemplified by the www.automags.org community. I believe that this would be both a profitable venture for you, and would lead to the gratification of the 'mag shooting community.

thank you for your time,
Matthew Ribkoff

[Thordic]

so there's really no point in pissing and moaning about it.

Vendors are nothing without customers. If you get a whole bunch of customers asking you to come out with a product, you either have to a) start listening, or b) lose a lot of customers.

If a company doesn't listen to the people who buy their products, they aren't going to be a very successful company.

Email campaigns DO work. And who said anything about PTP letting the hAir be made? I'm talking about PTP releasing THEIR frame for the mag. Knock off the name calling and grow up!

[WenULiVeUdiE]

I think I remember RRfireblade said he was working real hard to get the Mag version out before the cocker version.

I'll email them.

[GT]

a) start listening, or b) lose a lot of customers.
Idiot.

,
when was the last time you bought anything from ptp?

[Muzikman]

My question, when was the last time PTP released a new product? They have had a lot of cool ideas over the years, but the only thing that really made it to market was the MicroMag, the MicroCocker (which you never heard about any more) and some barrels. The cool stuff like the Medusa frame, the external battery pack, etc...never really made it. I fear the same will happen with this trigger frame.

[Virem]

PTP does do other things besides mags.... in fact most of their things are not mag releated. They are not the bad guys or a bad company for releasing or not releasing a part that have the rights to. As much as i would like to see the trigger.

[viper_ssc]

I think they owe us for making us wait so long.
latest.

PTP doesnt owe us anything, if they think that the hAir trigger violated their patents then they had the right to take legal actions. Of course they could be different enough so it didn't violate their patents. If you invented something like this and you see someone else makes something similar wouldn't you try to take legal actions? Of course, because if they dont then they could be losing money. You also say they should bring out the mag trigger first? well they should just bring out the trigger that is the most finished and finish that then worry about the other ones, say they are about 80% done with the cocker frame and about 20% with the mag, you really think they should stop the cocker and go with the mag? They should just go ahead with their plans in the first place, either way mag users are getting a fast mechanical trigger whether it be from PTP or DeadlyWind.

[Muzikman]

If PTP prevents DW from make the hAir and then doesn't release a version for the mag, I think users have the right to complain.

The legal battles in the paintball world make me sick.

[tony3]

Glad I don't own a mag waiting for a pneumatic frame.

[jewie27]

I just read the news on Deadlywind.com:

"hAir update- As some of you have heard, our progress has been slowed by some legal hurdles. The problem we ran into is that Pro-Team Products was recently granted a patent on assisted trigger mechanisms for paintball markers. Pro-Team insists that we are infringing this patent, and although we disagree with them, we have tried to cooperate so we can get the product released. We've been advised that our remaining options are expensive ones, and since we have already overspent resources in the development of this product, we have decided to shelve it for now and focus on our other projects. Again, we apologize for keeping everyone waiting on this. We do hope to revive this in the future, either when we can again justify allocating resources, or once we form partnerships that enable us to do so."


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Pro-Team, sucks. I guess DW did the right thing by waiting on this so they don't get sued. I really hope that it comes out within the next year or two.

Until then, I will be shooting my 'Mag in "runaway" mode at 1000 PSI.
I don't play tournaments so I don't care if I have mad trigger bounce.