We Want A PneuMag Frame!!! Email PTP Campaign

[Muzikman]

Pro-Team, sucks. I guess DW did the right thing by waiting on this so they don't get sued. I really hope that it comes out within the next year or two.

Until then, I will be shooting my 'Mag in "runaway" mode at 1000 PSI.
I don't play tournaments so I don't care if I have mad trigger bounce.

Read the other thread from Colin. The hAir will not be coming out any time soon, if at all.

[danoxide]

up up and away!


(my email sent)

[RRfireblade]

Oh uh, I see lot's more work coming my way.

MMmm, Email if you like, I end up answering many of the sales emails anyway. So it won't be much of a suprise.

FYI,

I'm already doing everything I can to make the Mag version a possibility and hopefully as soon as reasonably possible. It has always been "my" first priority and it continues to be so. You all have NO idea how much I wish that one could have been made available a LOoong time ago but I'm sorry there's only so much influence I have over the 'greater' powers.We (PTP) have some major and hopefully, settling legal finalizations coming up in a few weeks,after then I should have a much better estimate on the amount of time before you all start to see a light at the end of the tunnel. I will also foward this thread to those who need to see it,that will get you (AO) the best possible voice in the outcome of this product.

There's not much more info I can offer at this time which is why those of you following the various other threads around the internet have not seen any more updates from me.

Hang in there, it's still in the works and as far as I know, high on the list.

Thanks,

Jay.

[Eric Cartman]

That's pretty much the response I expected to see from RRfireblade. I'm really looking forward to seeing this thing. It seems a lot of people have already decided that the pneu trigger from PTP isn't going to be as good as the hAir. We won't know until we see it / use it and I'll keep an open mind until then.

"Pretty soon video of the mag version and the blowback semi-auto version will be made available "

That's from the thread posted on the AIR Powered forum.

RR, that was on the 30th of Sept. Any idea of when we might see some video teasers of the mag version?

[teufelhunden]

Vendors are nothing without customers. If you get a whole bunch of customers asking you to come out with a product, you either have to a) start listening, or b) lose a lot of customers.

If a company doesn't listen to the people who buy their products, they aren't going to be a very successful company.

Email campaigns DO work. And who said anything about PTP letting the hAir be made? I'm talking about PTP releasing THEIR frame for the mag. Idiot.

A niche market means nothing to a company, unless that's their specialty. If I was PTP, a 'Mag version is dead last on my list of pneu frames to come out with.. a cocker version is first, cuz there's so many people who want ROF but don't want to drop 450 on an E2 and than a BB version, although it's a harder sell when electro frames come stock on $130 guns, despite the 13bps cap. A 'mag frame, however.. well, 'Mags aren't used enough in competitive paintball to make it worth their while, since, as was said before, you can go 1000PSI and go into runaway and get the same ROF for $300 less.

See above paragraph for why the 'Mag demo means very little when it comes to success.

Email campaigns may work, but you need to realize that there's larger opportunities here, and when it's all boiled down, it's a business, and businesses make money. Not make niche markets happy.

My last comment was simply to address future posts about if PTP didn't come out with a 'Mag version.

[GT]

A niche market means nothing to a company, unless that's their specialty. If I was PTP, a 'Mag version is dead last on my list of pneu frames to come out with.. a

oooohhhh,
the truth hurts like a wet towl to the .......

[Thordic]

If they didn't care about the mag market, then they shouldn't have blocked Colin from making a frame for the mag alone.

And Mags are making a comeback. Slowly, but its happening. I see more people with mags now than I have in the past few years, and they've gotten their "wow" factor back. So it isn't entirely a "niche" market.

[Thordic]

Note: If you want to be a pessimist, do it somewhere else. We are trying to accomplish something positive here. So shut it.

[teufelhunden]

They cared about someone infringing on their patent. Not because it was the 'Mag market, but because it's their patent to enforce as they choose.

I see more people posting they'll accept a 'Mag as a trade, or making WTB threads for 'Mags, but I'd be interested to see just how many new 'Mags are realling leaving AGD.

And I'm not being a pessimist, simply attacking your belief that you're "owed" anything by PTP.

[Creative Mayhem]

why would you e-mail them. the hair lost, deal with it e-mailing them isnt going to change anything. i dont know why you ppl thought it would come out in the first place. who cares. you had your minds set on the hair trigger. they will come out with a mag frame sooner or later

Pay attention or read the first post..... We are emailing PTP to get them to get their frame out ASAP because there won't be a hAIR trigger.

[MindJob]

'Mags aren't used enough in competitive paintball to make it worth their while, since, as was said before, you can go 1000PSI and go into runaway and get the same ROF for $300 less.

If you are playing 'competative paintball', your not shooting a mech w/a pneu assited trigger anyhow. You are shooting an electro.

I dont think this pneu frame thing is aimed at the tourny scene.

[teufelhunden]

At lower level tourneys, whatever BPS this thing will allow you to put out is sufficient. People still play rookie/young guns tourneys with mech 'Cockers, so this will put enough paint downfield. However, even if it isn't aimed at the tournament side of paintball, it puts it even further down the list of things to buy.. let's face it, Tippmanns still dominate scenario ball, despite what the TacOne is there for, and woods play still is slow in adopting higher ROF guns. [Yes, of course there are exceptions, and I'm sure they're going to come out of the woodwork and flame me for that last sentence]. And that leaves non-competitive speedball, where people are shooting Spyders, Cockers, and Imps..

[skife]

the video of the hAir trigger shooting that fast would definatally put mags mechs back on the tourney scene.

[RRfireblade]

RR, that was on the 30th of Sept. Any idea of when we might see some video teasers of the mag version?

I'll try an do one as soon as I get the chance.

If they didn't care about the mag market, then they shouldn't have blocked Colin from making a frame for the mag alone.

First off, DW 'was' planning on making them for other markers besides Mags.It's not possible without some kind of agreeement to differentiate one from the rest. And FYI, we are open to agreements with 'Anyone' who wishes to manufacture a similar product in co-operation wtih PTP,it's not our fault that certain companies or people do not have the finacial resources to make that arrangement.


Besides that, PTP 'is' planning on doing one but you guys have to understand that in order to stay in business,which PTP has done for around 20 years now,there must be priorities set on what products you do and develop.It's the 'bread and butter' work that has allowed PTP to do work in other less benificail areas,many of which now include the declining Automag market.If the Mag has a big turn around in the near future,perhaps that will change but until YOU,the Automag Buyer/User, create that turnaround you will not see a dramatic change in the aftermarket Mag accessory market.

Unlike the very few AO only dealers, the typical major parts manufacturer can not survive based on AO sales alone.

All I can say, and have said, is the Mag will not be forgotten. PTP has ALWAYS supported the Automag,AGD and AO even when certain people have not been kind to PTP.I have no control over things that may or may not gone on at PTP in the past, I can only go on what I have conrol over since I've been here full time.

I do hope that means something to those of you that have delt with me personally or at PTP and others in the past.

Jay.

[Chronobreak]

rr on a sidenote can you comment on the frame chosen or anything? is it an existing frame or custom made = more $

vert, y-grip, maybe all of the above

mainly i was wondering if you picked a frame or still havent yet or maybe multiple frames.


as for commenting on teh legal issuses.. i know about as much as anyone here not directly involved int he projects...and i dont feel comfortable or upto date with any of the info to post any opions that are probly unfare to ptp or deadlywind.