Is there REALLY any need for a Super Mech

[PBX Ronin 23]

I'll concede that this is a pretty good point. BUT, most airball fields don't include moats.

LOL. Electros can be designed and made to perform in harsher environments than before. But regardless of that, your post is one of the funier ones I've read that addresses this issue.

[than205]

The water submerging test not withstanding, would you really want to snap shoot at 8bps against someone laning into you at 15bps? Let's talk reality here. Not intending to sound condescending but how often do you really dunk you gun totally under water versus having a shoot-out with somebody who has a significant ROF advantage over you?

I have played in the pouring rain though and had no worries.

For me the point was to stick it to those that came up with the retarded idea that it was appropriate to patent the electro-grip and then go around after the weak in the industry.
I'm not stupid enough to disagree with the idea of patents, but let's be honest it certainly seems to be limiting the innovative posibilities when something so common as the electro-grip gets a blanket patent.
So, I was excited to say:
"Yeah, it's a classic mag. Better yet there's no battery"
Just once to some jerkoff with no skills with a DM4.

[shatter_storm]

I see a need for a super mech - but it's a niche product. Why would anyone buy a carter buzzard? Why would anyone buy a J5? Why would anyone buy a karta/dallara 'mag? Why would anyone buy a "high end" autococker? A phantom would do the same as the buzzard, and a $30 "brute" from ebay probably would too. A trilogy cocker will do the same thing as a J5 or orracle or micro-x. A ule custom will do the same thing as a dallara 'mag. A eblade, e-spyder, or e-mag will do everything the above can do, but faster.

Why do we need expensive, refined, high-precision, high-performance mechanical paintball markers? Because there's a enduring market for nice stuff, even though it is "inferior" by being mechanical. Somebody's gotta sell it.

Mechs will die out. Sooner or later, tippmann will release a well built rental-quality marker that comes with a electronic trigger by default - and then we'll all be hosed. Electros went from being the oddball new thing, to being flakey midlevel items, to being high end paint sprayers, and now they're into the base level market as well. It's an eventual progression - the automotive industry has just finished going through this same process. But even when you can't find a mech marker in wal-mart, somebody will be making one somewhere.

The funny thing is, even if the PSP or NPPL start up an all-mech division, so what? You'd see people on the field with pblades and hAir triggers, out to get every advantage they can. Super gear will always exist as long as people want to buy better stuff - so there'll be junky mechs and super mechs, crap electro sear-trippers and super spool valve monsters.

[Conversekidz]

Let me clarify the battery comment, I didn't mean the battery died in the middle of the game leaving you with a dead marker, I just more was meaning your batter dies over the course of a day playing and leaves you with out a gun for the rest of the day. I've had that happen with my hopper, I forgot to get fresh batteries and it decided to die on me mid day. Crappy part was that it was my only hopper but I was lucky enough to borrow someone elses.

[jon-boy]

I'd like to say I'll never go electro. The reality is, I'm sure I eventually will. The thing is, I won't sink $700-$1500 into an electro. I like the fact that I can buy a used mag for $140, then spend another $150 for a few upgrades and then have a marker that is consistent, reliable, accurate, and fun to shoot. What electro could I buy for under $300 that would be as reliable and accurate? I'll end up spending $200 on an electro that would be my backup/just for fun marker.

I guess I'm in the minority and a dying breed.

[Conversekidz]

[QUOTE=RusskiX]
I'll concede that this is a pretty good point. BUT, most airball fields don't include moats.
QUOTE]
sad part is I have never played airball I only play outdoor and indoor....but the outdoor field does have a creek that you have to cross while playing capture the flag, there is 1 bridge to cross on....and people will wade sp? the water to get to the other side to get an advantage.

[RusskiX]

I've had that happen with my hopper, I forgot to get fresh batteries and it decided to die on me mid day.

*cough* user error *cough*

Not trying to criticize, but electros are not inherently not any less reliable that mechs. And battery life in most electros is measured in 1000's of rounds which provides several full days of playing before needing charging/replacement.

[PBX Ronin 23]

What electro could I buy for under $300 that would be as reliable and accurate?

2005 will bring you many options.

[Conversekidz]

*cough* user error *cough*

Not trying to criticize, but electros are not inherently not any less reliable that mechs. And battery life in most electros is measured in 1000's of rounds which provides several full days of playing before needing charging/replacement.

*cough* my point exactly *cough* Its sad when a battery will stop you from playing. Thats why I like the e-mag/x-mag's cause you can play either way.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Shatter Storm........your point is well taken.

[Tunaman]

Well in my neck of the woods, business has been steadily growing selling mostly mechanical mags. This has been the case for the last few years. People say they are dying...I dont believe that to be the case at all. The average Joe Paintballer will always want(or have to) start out with a mech. As long as paintball keeps growing, there will always be newbees who want them...and seasoned veterans who know where its at will continue to purchase them. Don't get cold feet on me now Mel!

[Chronobreak]

yes there wil always be devides between emch and electros

as for a new marker for the mag or fixing the mag back up.....hmm well we are sitting here waiting for....something from ptp in maybe 6-8 months? ok....

we have the ult.....shortstroking is fun and not fast

stock on/off...fine but still nowhere near the speeds of electros albeait a very fast snap shooter

pneu trigger...wow somethign that could pretty much do what an electro does and not ramp..
but like its been said why go pneu when you can g electro.

also waitinf for the "agg-mag" dono how that ones coming along but i believe as mag users this and the hyperframe/devimag conversion is the best we have or to look forward to at this point unles something else new is introduced.

look at agd history ie the e-mag huge batt pack and some kinda clunky interals.

after int eh past some cheap attempts to make a nice make electro ahve failed miserably such as the hyperframe and boo-yahs.

seems something could be made to satisfy all players as long as its a fast well made reliable trgger/gun wether its mech or electro.

--edit for forgeting soemthings..see what happens when you walk away from a long post

[riooso]

I own an X-Mag and would not trade it for anything. I just bought a ULT setup. I play woodsball, straight up! I find myself shooting the mechanical more and more. It has a crisp clean trigger and is as accurate as any marker made. It is with respect and a smile when I double tap someone and have both hit. I think that it is unkind and not in the true spirit of paintball to open up with an electric and when one or two will do. It happens to me but I don't let it bother me because 9 times out of 10 leading by example will bear the fruit of respect and friedship. My eliminations on a typical day number close to 70 on about a half a case of the best paint made. I hear Angel this or Nerve that is on the other team and what a challenge it is going to be to win, my question to the kids that utter the words is "But can they play paintball?". I love the ULT setup!

Riooso

[White_Noise]

ok, seeing as im one of those people who will never get rid of their mech, but still like their electros, i figure i should put my $.02 in.

*electronics and water: 2 words for that....Mardi Gras. splashes, rain, etc arent usually problems, but when the field becomes a bowl of soup, just watch how many electros get shorted out.

*market: is there a large market for a super mech? not right now. could there be? maybe. im fairly mechanically inclined and id wager a bet that in the long run, super mechs could be made faster, shooting legally, than electronics.

*efficiency of mags: ok seriously, everyone needs to just stop complaining about the efficiency of mags, especially tourney players. in tournaments, you get refilled between games anyway so no worrys about running out. also, i can get atleast 3 pods and full halo out of my mags and still have about 1500psi, and thats with them running at 1200psi, i get more when i drop to about 800. even in say 10 man, back players just need to use a 88/4500 and they can have enough paint. if you need more paint than that on the field, then your team needs to learn how to move and make things happen.

*rof: i support an industry wide cap on the rof of electros anyway, and since mechs cant be governed, this would lead more people to the super mech because of this possible loop hole.

again, thats my $.02

[SpecialBlend2786]

*rof: i support an industry wide cap on the rof of electros anyway, and since mechs cant be governed, this would lead more people to the super mech because of this possible loop hole.

again, thats my $.02

i can see that happening maybe