Is there REALLY any need for a Super Mech

[hitech]

Lets be honest this isn't Elec v Mechs, its Legal Semi v. Ramp. That's the issue. IF you want to shoot an e fast, just jump into your user settings right before a game, and then bounce your opponents into the dead box.

That really gets right to the point. It's also what Tom was worried about.

When comparing a legal electro and a super-mech they compare favorably.

[hitech]

I didn't claim it to be the only reason. However, it was a big reason. Tom personally told me so, and I don't believe he is lying. You can claim so if you wish...

And yes, "we" can claim that they "might" have. The threat of a lawsuit has been the reason behind many, many business descissions.

It wasn't the only reason, but it was a big one.

[WARPED1]

The sad part is I take my mag out to the field and people are like "What type of gun is that?" cause everyone and their mother shoots some form of an e-gun.

Theres no room for the mech anymore. Even starter guns are becoming those ESpyders. Only non electro place nowadays is to play stock, even then, someone will find a way to electrify a stock gun probably!

[skife]

i think a super-mech gun will rock when some of the larger orginazations put a cap on ROF, try capping a mech gun.

[shartley]

Theres no room for the mech anymore. Even starter guns are becoming those ESpyders. Only non electro place nowadays is to play stock, even then, someone will find a way to electrify a stock gun probably!

[Lohman446]

i think a super-mech gun will rock when some of the larger orginazations put a cap on ROF, try capping a mech gun.

After whining about the safety issues of the ROF of super electros that were just plain faster than our mechs we have built a super mech that will exceed that cap put in place, supposedly for safety , by large organizations. We expect to be allowed to use it for one game.. or until the robot/radar/chrono catches us, whichever comes first. After which said hypothetical organization, will simply ban them for safety reasons... how ironic

[Lohman446]

What if we change Warped statement to there is very little room for a $700 mechanical marker?

[shartley]

What if we change Warped statement to there is very little room for a $700 mechanical marker?

[WARPED1]

Well, not all, but most mech markers are going extinct. I really hope the mag stays, it's a great marker, but it appears that AGD might be going under for real this time.

[SlartyBartFast]

What ever happened to TK promissed valve for the TACOne that would work fine with CO2 but could be changed to HPA?

Is there REALLY a need for a Super Mech?

Well, Is there REALLY a need for paintball? ....

[phantomhitman]

I see a need for a super mech - but it's a niche product. Why would anyone buy a carter buzzard? Why would anyone buy a J5? Why would anyone buy a karta/dallara 'mag? Why would anyone buy a "high end" autococker? A phantom would do the same as the buzzard, and a $30 "brute" from ebay probably would too. A trilogy cocker will do the same thing as a J5 or orracle or micro-x. A ule custom will do the same thing as a dallara 'mag. A eblade, e-spyder, or e-mag will do everything the above can do, but faster.

Why do we need expensive, refined, high-precision, high-performance mechanical paintball markers? Because there's a enduring market for nice stuff, even though it is "inferior" by being mechanical. Somebody's gotta sell it.

Mechs will die out. Sooner or later, tippmann will release a well built rental-quality marker that comes with a electronic trigger by default - and then we'll all be hosed. Electros went from being the oddball new thing, to being flakey midlevel items, to being high end paint sprayers, and now they're into the base level market as well. It's an eventual progression - the automotive industry has just finished going through this same process. But even when you can't find a mech marker in wal-mart, somebody will be making one somewhere.

The funny thing is, even if the PSP or NPPL start up an all-mech division, so what? You'd see people on the field with pblades and hAir triggers, out to get every advantage they can. Super gear will always exist as long as people want to buy better stuff - so there'll be junky mechs and super mechs, crap electro sear-trippers and super spool valve monsters.

this is one of the best posts about this subject. however i do not think mechs will die out. but "supermechs" will indeed, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, try to get any little edge they can. play what you want and how you want.

this is a great thread by the way. most of the posts are informative and correct, and not much flaming going on.

[PBX Ronin 23]

A niche market is one thing. Some have succeeded in them. All you have to do is look at Glen Palmer and AO's very own Tunaman to realize that is indeed the case.

At that point, the product becomes more of the custom vareity produced by artisans and consummed by connosieurs. If this is one's goal then there's nothing wrong with it.

But if we are thinking that a super-mech can make a dent and steal away market share from the electro market, then we are doing so wishfully.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

i run both an RT, and the SFL Emag. have I ever chopped a ball NO . have i ever turned my eye on in my SFL? NO. same goes for all the markers ive had with lvl10. out of the 4 diffferent valves that ive owned with level10, i have only chopped 1 ball with any of them. now this comes from me playing every 2 weeks, and sometimes every week. shooting about a case each week, more if its a tournament.

i find that completely astonishing considering that some of you say that mechs cant compete cause they'll end up chopping. guess what, the worst marker i ever had for chopping is my ecocker. eye is perfect on that thing, and i use a halo. somehow ive gotten chops about everytime i play with it. even my mech cocker had less chops.

so before you all start putting it off like mechs chop, look around and see whats actually out there to help against this(jambolt/lvl10). can a mech stop before it fires cause there's no ball in the breech? no. does it have to? no.

The problem is people dont believe it. All they know is Marker A has Ace and Marker B doesnt. They go and buy Marker A. Many dont want to worry about the level 10 and setup. Yes it is easy, but it can be a hassle. Some say " Level 10 certainly works, but I dont want a 99% chance of zero chops, I want 100%." They know and trust ACE, not level 10. They will stick with ACE, probably forever. Whats better, a system that prevents a chop from ever happening, or one that can still chop but 99% of the time wont.

[pump]

wow all you guys are smart
i agree with you all

me i would just like to see mags on top again
would be cool to see those toruney teams shooting mags

things would truely have gone full circle



but i only shoot eletronic semis or pumps
so i dont know if you guys should listen to me

i just wanted to be parts of this discussion its so cool

[PBX Ronin 23]

Pump. I'm just glad that the stoning hasn't started yet. This is the kind of thread that AO is all about. Thought provoking even if it is contentious.