why don't tourney guns have a drop?

[mag88888]

do they have remotes for adjustable tanks?

[TheTramp]

Sure. You just screw it into the output of the tank reg instead of into an on/off ASA that you'd then screw the tank into.

[Vanced]

do they have remotes for adjustable tanks?

Sure they do... A remote is a remote... you can unscrew the on/off on the end of them... or just order the hose without it ... makes um cheeper...

A set up that that I came up with is popular with a few of my friends... We all use adjustable AA tanks or Flatlines.... they run a stainless steel remote hose (36" + or - I think) But a Coiled remote would work just as well.. just a matter of prefernce.... Off the tank with a Female end Pro Connect on the end... that with the male end either pluging directly into the reg or into bottom line of some type...

But if you tank has a good On/Off on your tank ... a normal Quick Disconnect would work...

and I have also ran it with short 2" hose or a Male to Male strait threaded connector to put the female end of the Pro Connect directly off the tank and use a second quick disconnect at the gun so you can easily remove the hose completly so you don't have to take a tank with a hose on it to get it filled... (( have did this once with Macro line insted of a good remote hose but wouldn't recomend it ))

I could get some pics later to clarify if really needed... but it really isn't that complicated...

Good Luck in finding the set up you are happy with and if I can answer any more questions feel free to ask...

[Jack & Coke]

Why 'pros' use rail instead of drops?

rail = easier to shoulder the gun.

drop = more cumbersome to shoulder the gun.

Besides the benefits of being a more stable platform to shot from, rails let you work the trigger fast.

By pressing the tank into your shoulder with your off hand (which is holding the foregrip/reg), your shooting hand doesn't have to hold the grip frame to support the gun. This makes is much easier to walk a feather light electro trigger.

If you watch most of the pros the primary focus of their main gun hand to to flick and twitch their trigger fingers as fast as possible, instead of 'supporting' the weight of the gun. Their off-hand does the most of the 'support' and 'aimming'.

This advantage may not be so big with mech guns.

The key thing that makes the rail work, is a med to short length tank (i.e. 68, 45, stubby). If I only had an 88 or 110, is would be forced to use a drop.

[xXHavokXx]

Chicks dig guys without rails. Ask uh , Clare....and other chicks who play paintball.




Drops make guns unnaturally tall. Ive seen guys with drop zones that had guns as tall as they were long it seemed.

No rises, rails, and space frames = teh sex.

[evildead420]

for me its

mech = drop

electro = rail

[mag88888]

ok thanks guys. i have a AA Apocalypse 2k.

[VFX_Fenix]

Shartley I understand you are passionate about this, but really what was the thing to do a little while ago, really isnt the thing to do now. Things change due to research, developement and testing. All the top Pros use rails. There must be something in it. Are they all wrong?

Back in the day every tourney player ran their gun on a remote line too and that convinced people that was how you had to run your setup to play like the big dogs. (Just to poke a hole in your thought...)

Personally I'm all for trying new things, probably why I have some many extra drops lying around the house... I've played with rails, drops, remotes, stocks, vertical bottle, and I've come to the same conclusion every time. Different things work for different people and different guns. I've been playing this sport for too long to believe that something is "the best" simply because "everyone" else is doing it or all the pro guys are doing it. Personally, I'm actually interested to mess around with a Stilleto Drop since I've never seen what that's like... but that's just me.

The Pro guys are going to be the trend setters, when I came into paintball the "pros" were all running KAPP Drop Zones (II) or some other crazy huge drop.

I'll echo what's been said before, because... well... I believe it. Do what feels good to you, everything else is just hype

[RRfireblade]

I wonder if the 'Anti-Drop' people are thinking about the same thing the 'Pro-Drop' people are.

What I mean is when someone says Drop, I think the 'Anti" people picture like a crazy drop zone 7 inch forward and down monster or something.

In order to even have this arguement there would have to be a common understanding of 'drop'.

I agree that those old skool monster drops typically promote bad form but I also find that an excessivley long set up does exactly the same thing.

I've been playing guitar for 25 some odd years and I can promise you, that finger speed is directly related to the amount tendon tension and stress on the fast twitch muscle fiber thats imparted on those areas through the wrist and forearm. BOTH conditions (cranked up and overly stretched out) are simple BAD for finger speed in EVERY case.

Therefore........

Believe it or not there are 'drops' that fall somewhere in between both of the stated extremes the niether add tons of height to the set up or create that 'cranked up' arm position.

For me,the drops I use simply position the tank in nearly the exact same position as my tanks used to be before the days of screw in regulators.Since I made the switch to screw in tanks,mostly for convenience,the added length of the screw in section is simple to far.Nearly every single marker I've had in the last couple years came with a matching rail mount ASA. I've tried them over and over and it's simply farther than I feel comfortable or perform best with.

So........

I use a drop that put's the tank forward around 1- 1 1/2" and drops it just enough to clear the gauges of the tanks reg.That leaves the front of the bottle ending just before the grip frame and easily allows my hand to pass straight by it. It's a small 'drop' compared to the extreme examples but it is a drop non the less.For that matter, all rail mounts drop the tank a certain amount anyway.

And there's no question,it not debateable,and I can back it up with both physical and appearance fact...that's the best set up for me.

Lastly.....

NOT every Tourny player uses a rail mount.Rail mounts may be the most common but there is no question that there are Pro Players using some sort of a Drop.I've seen them at every Pro Tourny I've been to in the last 2 years. I guess we'll see what happens this year. The biggest change that I see there is the the Marker manufacturers are seriously trying to cut off the aftermarket, intregating the rail mount to the marker is just another way. IMO.

[Blazestorm]

Shartley.. why are you wasting your time on a "kid"

So you can sleep better at night knowing you typed a 2 page post explaining how great drops are...

My first statement was to counter anyone who said that anti-drops make the gun unbalanced, I never once said drops make the gun unbalanced, I know they make them balanced.

Second, if you're shouldering the tank in the same spot, with a drop the gun WILL BE TALLER, the hopper WILL BE ABOVE YOUR HEAD. It's that simple, without a drop the gun is shorter, from the front perspective (People shooting at you) an anti-drop will be exposing less than someone with a drop, sticking the hopper above their head. My hopper is level with my head with my anti-drop.

If you have a smaller and lighter gun, you can snap-shoot faster.

Your "tests" are crap, if the tank is underneath the gun, and your shouldering it in the same spot, the gun is going to be in your face and above your head, therefore increasing the profile.

You claim to be using anti-drops and drops in certain types of play... does your playing style change?

I'm 6'1 and I can run full speed while shooting 13-14bps, that's how to perform run-thrus effectively, I'll see someone make a 50 bunker off the break, I'll run at them as they come out I'm already shooting the spot they'll come out, I'll shoot them, and keep going to shoot anyony else I can. With the tank under my gun and the gun above my head, I couldn't do that.

You talk about profile, that no-drop guns have a larger horizontal profile. That does not matter one bit, you care about what the other person can see, they can't tell the difference headon if your gun is 4feet long or 2feet. But they can tell if your gun is tall, giving them more of a target to hit.

I did make a large generalization, lemme rephrase that. The teams who win tournaments, real tournaments, aren't using drops. It's not a fad, they're better.

You continue to attempt to insult me, yet you haven't done anything

And... Just to be a straight-up ***...

Go back to making camo pants and playing in the woods with your mag. (Haha... I made a funny... )

[wageslave]

Second, if you're shouldering the tank in the same spot, with a drop the gun WILL BE TALLER, the hopper WILL BE ABOVE YOUR HEAD.

Your "tests" are crap, if the tank is underneath the gun, and your shouldering it in the same spot, the gun is going to be in your face and above your head, therefore increasing the profile.

But previously in this very thread...

Only where the tank hits your body will be different.

The hopper and hopper height is what is crucial, not where the tank is. All a drop will do is determine where the tank hits your body, and guess what? Your body was already a target.

Reading comprehension > Blazestorm

[txaggie08]

this a mute poin to argue.....everyone like the gun the way they like the gun. i like a drop. personaly it makes it more comfortable to walk the trigger for me. some of that has to do with the fact i have long armsand like it to sit higher up. ive got friends who hate them with a purple passion. its all just personal preference. alhtough i had started to notice how few people were using nowadays.

someone said it earlier. this is just like the cocker versus mag, open vs closed bolt, pneumatic versus electric.......did i miss any. whole point is this, some people like this setup, some people like this other setup. telling someone"a drop is bad, it makes you shoot slower" or some crap like that is an unprovable argument. It might make YOU shoot sower. It might make YOU uncomfortable, but its not going to make the other guy the same way.

and before the childish insults start to fly, ive been in this sport along time. ive seen just about every gun , and shot most of them, made up until two years ago(when i got disgusted with the "i wanna shoot a 3000$ gun, but i cant play worth sh*t" people). ive played with every thing from good old bottom lines, to the psycho ballistics monster i use now(big drop forward). he*l ive carried an 88ci crossfire hanging off my vert asa(that was desperation.....we couldnt get a combination of a drop and adapter to make it unscrewable at that time). I found out a long time ago that droping that tank closer was alot more comfortable to me. if you realy cant stand havin a tall gun, get a warp(if the drop is what you like).

point blank its all preference






ok rants done

[Conversekidz]

I don't get how the drop makes the gun taller for the profile.

Reading peoples post it makes it sound like since you have a drop on your gun, instead of sighting off the top of the gun for the shot, you have to sight it off the side of the gun cause the drop boosted it so high up.

I personally love drops and have no problem walking a trigger on a gun with one. My profile isn't any taller because of the drop, nor does my elbow stick out the side. I have tested my profile with the drop and with the bottom line that came with the gun (shoot a freestyle) and my wrist is more or less in the same position while shooting.

but then again its personal preference, I have used the same drop for the last 6+ years and know how to use it, and my body is use to it.

I use a "big drop" its a Kappa Extreme drop. I like it, it places the middle of the bottle in the grip frame, and doe not cause the gun to be unbalanced in my opinion.

[txaggie08]

well technicaly it does make it taller(depends on how big). i do sight down the side of my gun.

you dont notice the slight increase in height(and its not THAT drastic))because your lowering were you bring your tank to to compensate(i do the same thing.....nothing wrong with i, just how you shoot:)) personaly i dont even try aiming down the top anymore. ive got a pwerfeed in the way

if the drop is changing how your wrist is angeled your actualy doing something wrong.......it doesnt chang mine either ^^

[shartley]

This post is not to debate the issue, but to address a personal attack on me:

Shartley.. why are you wasting your time on a "kid"

So you can sleep better at night knowing you typed a 2 page post explaining how great drops are...

My first statement was to counter anyone who said that anti-drops make the gun unbalanced, I never once said drops make the gun unbalanced, I know they make them balanced.

Second, if you're shouldering the tank in the same spot, with a drop the gun WILL BE TALLER, the hopper WILL BE ABOVE YOUR HEAD. It's that simple, without a drop the gun is shorter, from the front perspective (People shooting at you) an anti-drop will be exposing less than someone with a drop, sticking the hopper above their head. My hopper is level with my head with my anti-drop.

If you have a smaller and lighter gun, you can snap-shoot faster.

Your "tests" are crap, if the tank is underneath the gun, and your shouldering it in the same spot, the gun is going to be in your face and above your head, therefore increasing the profile.

You claim to be using anti-drops and drops in certain types of play... does your playing style change?

I'm 6'1 and I can run full speed while shooting 13-14bps, that's how to perform run-thrus effectively, I'll see someone make a 50 bunker off the break, I'll run at them as they come out I'm already shooting the spot they'll come out, I'll shoot them, and keep going to shoot anyony else I can. With the tank under my gun and the gun above my head, I couldn't do that.

You talk about profile, that no-drop guns have a larger horizontal profile. That does not matter one bit, you care about what the other person can see, they can't tell the difference headon if your gun is 4feet long or 2feet. But they can tell if your gun is tall, giving them more of a target to hit.

I did make a large generalization, lemme rephrase that. The teams who win tournaments, real tournaments, aren't using drops. It's not a fad, they're better.

You continue to attempt to insult me, yet you haven't done anything

And... Just to be a straight-up ***...

Go back to making camo pants and playing in the woods with your mag. (Haha... I made a funny... )