Thoughts on ION, SP, Hype.. other makers..

[GT]

not I... I'm ordering a custom mag today.

I'll die before you catch me shooting any ramping gun.. heck, the only electro gun I'd ever use is a Devil.

no hype there either,

[Lohman446]

I'll die before you catch me shooting any ramping gun.. heck, the only electro gun I'd ever use is a Devil.

How does that make sense? You realize the Devil has ramping features right? If you mean I won't use ramping, if its turned off, whats the difference?

The logic in this thread is astounding, while RRFireblade has proven his intelligence repeatedly and what I found was just nitpicking and a misspeak (I assume) when I understand what he was trying to say some of the statements you make are a bit less than educated and more filled with hype (pro whatever anti-SP) than most anything SP has come out with lately.

[abunkerer]

PMI has plenty of marketing, more than smart parts. You can go into walmart and buy a pmi gun. The ion is an all around better (stock electro) gun than anything close to it's price range, the new bko is expected to give it a little competition....your marketing vs. quality idea becomed more valid in that arena.

[teufelhunden]

The Evo has been out for a year and sold like.. 13 copies. It's a good old STBB with eyes.. not even the first. Nothing special. And anything else I would've said, well, had already been drilled into you more than once or twice in here.

[JaredMeier]

i think SP has the right idea about the ion - features and function. anyone that would say that the Ion does not "offer" the features and function that so many players are wanting, they would just be kidding themselves. the Ion, or any other "high function". speedy electro (or any semi) are not what I want, but I can see how it would appeal to other players.
But I cannot personally attest to the quality of an Ion, because I dont have one. I just know that it has something that appeals to alot of players. I will admit that there is alot of hype surrounding the ion, but it is eventually the player who decides what he wants to spend his money on, and what features and funtion they want. so many players, with certain views, will look at an Ion and say they got their moneys worth...whether or not it we think it "truly" does offer on its "hyped" premise. in that right, SP has succeeded. and If I were a new player, first getting into the sport, I might be tempted to by an Ion, too. actually, I probably would buy one. it is the same price I bought my spyder shutter for back in the day.

[JimmyBeam]

And if you're going to quote any part of this post be sure to quote a strong point I'm trying to maintain. I don't think the ION sucks, I think it's over-rated, inflated, advertised falsely and that most kids don't have the ability to recognize that

let me ask you this.....

have you played with an Ion yet? Play with one for a weekend and you'll see where the hype is coming from.

but, im tired of defending the Ion, its a great gun.....simple as that. Hate it.....i could care less

[Jackel411]

Okay time for an airtechs quick and dirty reply....

The pirhana EVO , is a sear clicker not a full on electro , having shot one its doesnt feel like an electro its feels like a fast spyder. IE Lots of recoil , nots of noice , cludgy feel and the typical bolt stick that occurs when the gun chops a ball... Oh yeah.. right chops a ball genrally people dont run the eyes on this gun as its a circle jerk to get the board to work right with the eyes... Add in the fact it needs a 9.6 volt battery to work at its peak , which most newbies forget to charge.

Now Im still not a big fan of the Ion as I have some old hatred for SP BUUUUUUUUT

Having owned one for a short time , its more or less a sloppy ugly shocker... Its not plastic or composit , Ive knifed the frame and took off the POWDER COAT to find.. GAH!!! ALUMINUM SIMILAR TO A 98's.

Personally... Fully electronic with a fast board and eyes , Vs. JABB with electr frame and Eyes... hands down Ion.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

I can't see how a company could make a bad gun with the power of the internet. if this gun was bad we will defintly here about it. before anybody start talking about a product give it 6 months and see what happens. thats like me saying that you suck and can't play paintball even though i never even seen you play let the company prove their worth we will here about it sooner or later that if it is crap or good sh@#t. i could go around and say agd charges to much for guns that are not even competive with guns at the same price range. rtule,tac,emag.

[Jackel411]

And remember kiddies... Junk guns dont get back ordered to the sum of 10000 units, And yet the Evo's go on sale almost monthly because PMI cant move them out to save them selfs

[Lohman446]

Its a matter of name.. lets say that PMI and SP produced markers that functioned 100% identically (I realize the Evo does not) and the price was $250 for the PMI marker and $300 for the SP

PMI is not a $250 marker company - there marketing (Wal-Mart) etc is towards the cheaper end of the sport. So a $250 PMI marker is too pricey.

SP a $300 SP marker is a cheap SP marker.

Why do you think that PMI uses the Evil name and not the PMI name for there top end stuff.

[68magOwner]

my lil bro shoots a ion, teammates and friends do/have owned shockers, i would say that the ion is on par performance wise with the shocker, well beyond a eyed spyder clone in performance

[Chris at Tech]

I posted in the ICD forum of PBN on this exact irony of the Ion and it was closed quickly, for fear of a flame war.

It's amazing...Everyone and their brother is raving about the ION, that it has features and performance of a $1000 gun for only $300...blah blah blah...

When myself and others said the same thing about the Bushmaster 2000 and the BKO when they came out, those guns were dismissed as crap. I find it funny that the exact same people that called the Bushy crap are now firmly on the Ion bandwagon.

[Andrew Cunje]

Hey all her to join the fun...

i own a mech mag...spent about 700 building it from scratch...woudl ahve jsut bought a prebuilt if i knew they existed but...i still love my gun, its light, effiecient and hasnt given me a problem since i bumped it to 1000 psi input....

my little bro owned a spyder rodeo...we just put an electro board on it and a lowrise feed neck, but check this we just sold it on ebay, lost about... 80 bucks but got 200 for it...now i just picked up an ion, i tried one out that rob hoover had tuned and that thign just amazed me...

its super light, attractive lookign, super cheap, fast, and not to mention it only requires 175input to run...where as im runnign 1k on my mag...i mean dont get me wrong i stand by my mag and want to get a devil bolt on but for my bro its amazing...

this gun truley amazed me...its easy to shoot and if u get it tuned right you can do 17 bps with your pinky in rmapign mode...and that, that is sick...

that is all i have to say about that.

[VAballer]

Your post is purely subjective. You bring nothing new to the table. Your confusing cheap with inexpensive. I've shot this great little gun and I was impressed. It was light, fast and under $300, that's hard to beat. That's why I'm getting one.

[Lohman446]

i own a mech mag...spent about 700 building it from scratch...woudl ahve jsut bought a prebuilt if i knew they existed but...i still love my gun, its light, effiecient and hasnt given me a problem since i bumped it to 1000 psi input....

Don't take this as a shot, I like mags, I have a Devil ordered.. but efficient compared to what?