Thoughts on ION, SP, Hype.. other makers..

[Andrew Cunje]

i have never had a problem with my gun, with teh right input pressure its happier than ever, i rock on people with my mech mag, i can walk the trigger with my input pressure level, its jsut all round amazing, mags never break....and with mine being mech, i can fall in a rivier/stream, i can dunk it in water to clean it, its just indestructable

[Vendetta]

I just this second opened up my new ION. It looks very nicely put together. I'm not sure how good the aluminum is, but I'm not planning on using it as a nut cracker 'll try it out tonight

I do have one question though. The manual says that you can use a CO2 tank with anti-siphon, or a N2 tank that does not exceed 200psi inlet pressure. Doesn't a CO2 tank have an inlet pressure of about 800psi? Am I missing something? Can I use my HP pre-set screw in?

[Lohman446]

I used a HP preset (about 850PSI) - I think they mean from the reg - dont put that gauge over 200PSI going into the gun, not into the reg

[Vendetta]

Ok, thanks.

I have to say that I'm not a SP fan, but you have to hand it to them that they have the best industrial/graphic designers in the buisness.

[tony3]

The evo and the Ion don't compare AT ALL. The EVO is nothing but an electro blowblack with eyes. The ion is a spool valve breakbeam eyed gun. Have you ever seen the kick on a spyder or piranha? It is insane. Imagine that much kick at 13-15 bps? Yeah, blowback is a good design for 100 dollar guns, not 300 dollar guns.

[GT]

I posted in the ICD forum of PBN on this exact irony of the Ion and it was closed quickly, for fear of a flame war.

It's amazing...Everyone and their brother is raving about the ION, that it has features and performance of a $1000 gun for only $300...blah blah blah...

When myself and others said the same thing about the Bushmaster 2000 and the BKO when they came out, those guns were dismissed as crap. I find it funny that the exact same people that called the Bushy crap are now firmly on the Ion bandwagon.

quoted for the truth!!!!

[Ion owner]

i have an ion (may be trading for an angel) this gun is the best thing you can get for the money. i have no idea how sp made this gun so cheep i would like to hear from plp who keep theirs in a year or so. they seem to hold up but ther are made by sp so you never know.

[MadPSIence]

no hype there either,

If you think Mags have hype you ought to get off this forum. Before I came here I thought mags were old and *POOF*. Then I did some research and asking around.

People buying the ION aren't gonna do that, they will see flashy extreme colors, see the word EYE and immediately go nuts.

Yes or No - If the ION was built entirely of parts that lasted 1 month... do you think their sales in the first release would have been any lower?

*Warning - No Cussing*

[danheneise]

I think one thing you've forgotten to mention is how hypocritical people have gotten. About 1/2 to a year ago people were bashing SP about the lawsuits , their "bad business" ideals and so on.... but now, they put out a new marker and everyone seems to magically love SP again. Personally I think this is pretty annoying at how smaller companies like AGD, PMI, and others try so hard to become great, and all SP has to do to bring people back to them is put out a new low end gun. 'course then i just remember at how this sport is fairly dominated by high schoolers that don't think about how they sound.

[JimmyBeam]

bad business? how is making more money for your company bad business, sure it sucked for everyone else, but that doesnt change the fact that they are still a corporation, and making money is top priority.

[VAballer]

I just this second opened up my new ION. It looks very nicely put together. I'm not sure how good the aluminum is, but I'm not planning on using it as a nut cracker 'll try it out tonight

I do have one question though. The manual says that you can use a CO2 tank with anti-siphon, or a N2 tank that does not exceed 200psi inlet pressure. Doesn't a CO2 tank have an inlet pressure of about 800psi? Am I missing something? Can I use my HP pre-set screw in?

HP all the way...keeps the vert reg from starving during rapid fire.

[danheneise]

bad business? how is making more money for your company bad business, sure it sucked for everyone else, but that doesnt change the fact that they are still a corporation, and making money is top priority.

aparently you didn't notice the " " marks, which means I'm quoting other people. I have heard that said many times on these forums and others. Also, my rant wasen't necessarily about SP, it was a rant toward the people that buy the supplies, and the fact that they fall so easily to advertising/hype, so much to where they seem to forget that just a few months before they hated the company they just bought something from.

[Toxic Dave]

My Thoughts on the Ion,

I am in a position where I can or have shot/ owned pretty much any gun on the market, save for a couple super rare things. I got an Ion to review for Paintball Sports Magazine yesterday and promptly went and played with it at the local indoor. The build/ design is very good, not to mention that it shot as straight if not straighter than my shocker. ROF is hampered by the trigger a bit, but with a little tinkering I think I can make it shoot ropes. I'm fairly sceptical of Max Flow regs but the new Ion style one seems pretty good.

I belive SP is brilliant in releasing this gun at this price point, and the wholesale price makes it very hard for a store not to want to sell as many as they can get thier hands on. The EVO isn't in the same ball park as the Ion performance-wise or in any other catagory either, not even close.

I am seriously thinking about selling my DM4 and buying an Ion and pocketing the rest of the cash.

Dave.

P.S. Vendetta, Dye's Industrial/ Graphic Design team destroys SP's, Benini and the crew put out stuff stuff that everybody else wishes they can think up, 5 years from now.

[MadPSIence]

was just browsing anf I have to mention something I didn't even realize before. Ion's are UGLY. They should really re-model or just drop the interchangable bodies and do something about the rail.

SP should have modeled it like a nerve/shocker

oh and as far as bad business practice.. here's a quote from Smart Parts on the Nerve.

Sell off all the other junk you've purchased over the years to make your under performing marker a winner and make space in your gear bag for the Nerve

[Lohman446]

If you think Mags have hype you ought to get off this forum. Before I came here I thought mags were old and ****ty. Then I did some research and asking around.

People buying the ION aren't gonna do that, they will see flashy extreme colors, see the word EYE and immediately go nuts.

Yes or No - If the ION was built entirely of parts that lasted 1 month... do you think their sales in the first release would have been any lower?

I've been on this forum long enough that I consider it my paintball home on the net.. so I have a skewed viewpoint. Here... and this quote is great, mags are hyped beyond what you could imagine. If you beleived what a good share of people on this forum say often you would think five mags on the field, just laying there would win tournaments.. screw needing the idiotic paintball players behind them.

I bought the Ion because I was curious - I ordered twenty more after dismantling the first one and looking it over, after shooting it, after using it. Your right, I saw the flashy colors and just went nuts.

You underestimate the people buying these. Sure some are buying them for flash but I have not seen a bad review from anyone I actually beleive has owned one.