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[Ov3rmind]

New DYE Marker coming soon
By Dale Ford
Mar 24, 2005, 20:32

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The DMC
A routine search of the internet found that DYE Precsion will be introducing the DMC, which is a composite version of the DM5-series marker from DYE. The "C" stands for Composite, which normally is a reference to plastic-like materials, but in this case the word is that it's more along the lines of a composite of Aluminum and Titanium.

The DMC is priced at $1699, which will put this limited edition DM in the same league as WDP's new super-marker, the G7. Available now for pre-order at selected retailers like www.firstcallpaintball.com

Hm, doesn't sound like Ion competition. Composite aluminum/titanium? Wow.

[CrawforDry]

Please explain how you compare a company operating in a capitalistic society to the Nazi third reich? I'm curious.

I guess you forgot all of the true PAINTBALL companies before smart parts that didn't patent things just to try and crush competetion. If you are so capitalistic you should realize competetion is whats important, not allowing a company to buy the rights to a gun and then patent it as their design and as the 1st one like it especially when WDP had the angel out before the shocker, but not on the market. Bottom line, tons of companies before electros could have patented things and they chose not to, SP will never get buisness from me for their actions.

EDIT as for the nazi reference, its a figure of speech and if you're too slow to get it, theres no other explanation needed as to why you would support SP as a paintball player.

[jewie27]

Let me get soem facts straight here. Eclipse signed an agreement with SP to produce electronic grip frames. The exact terms of this agreement are unkown to most anyone but SP and Eclipse. We do not know if it is a per product fee, a yearly fee, or a one time fee.

They tried to sue WGP?? - I don't recall SP sueing K2, considering that the Worrblade was made by Eclipse and with Eclipses consent I don't think that is accurate.

AKA was put outta business? AKA chose to quit producing markers that they beleived a court would rule infringed on a patent. They did not go out of business.

So, we have several manufacturers still producing electronic markers with no threat of legal action against them: Dye, BLAST, Planet Eclipse, K2. To the best of my knowledge there has been no legal action against Kingman. WDP is still producing markers after a court ruled that they had rights to produce under current patent law. PMI is producing markers at this point with only minimal legal action against the Evil Pimp if I recall, and understand I don't have knowledge of that.

Looking around me I would guess that SP controls less than 30% of the market - understand I do not have actual quantative numbers on that, its a rough estimate and I figured high, I think. Please explain to me how the current enviroment that SP markets under is a monopoly. How does a monopoly, even if it existed, compares in to the human rights violations of historic signifigance and totalitarism of the Third Reich and the Nazi regime? I would label what SP has done recently as mildy agressive protection of established intellectual and patent rights. And yes I would consider it mild compared to other industries.

WDP*

[jewie27]

There is also a big difference between a capitalist monopoly, and a fascism.

Namely, the former is an economic practice that controls prices through a stranglehold on supply, while the latter is an oppressive form of government, under which all things percieved as weak are stamped out, and all things percieved as strength are encouraged. The latter is also the form of government responsible for the extermination of upwards of 6 million Jews in the 1930's and 40's.

You cannot possibly think that one is comparable to the other.

For the love of all that is good and holy, find another buzz word to label SP with. Calling them Nazi's is overly inflamatory, and blunts the horror of what the real Nazi's did by twisting the definition of the term. There are those in the world that could and should be called Nazi's, but the things you have to do to join their ranks is far beyond simply limiting the choices on the PB marker market.

Call them robber barrons, or whatever you like, but try to at least muster up an insult that has something to do with economics and the free market (or lack thereof).

EDIT: Damn, didn't see there was a whole second page of people saying the same thing. Oh well, I'm not the touchy feely type, but I do tire of seeing people change the definition of a term to suit them (or worse yet, use the term not knowing what it means).

On those grounds, I will leave this rant stand.

why do people take me literally? It's called exaggeration......

[teufelhunden]

Don't be a moron now that you've been backed into a corner.


Oh, and Crawfordry, SP is not a charity. No actual business is a charity. Maybe if Tom Kaye had the business sense to patent HPA use in paintball, AGD wouldn't be in the trouble it's in. Just because you patent something doesn't mean you need to make royalties rediculous. It will also actually ENCOURAGE competition, because it will give people motivation to come up with something better to patent.

Didn't think of that, did you? That's right, you were too busy gulping down anti-SP rhetoric.

[txaggie08]

ignore this i goofed

[Maggot6]

That is the only pic I have seen of it.
My wishful expectations of the DMC...
1.) It will have no ramping
2.) It will be lighter,
3.) It will be 500$ ( so that it is ensured to be a bit more than ION quality, even though I hear ions are well made anyway)
4.) It will have the whole "replace-a-body" feature...
5.) Eyes of course
6.) Some sort of trigger innovation...Although, I have no idea what they would do...

Anyone else have any wishes?(P.S. I was to lazy to read after the first page, if this has been done I will gladly delete this post)..

[matt-o]

its already happened

fixed

[Lohman446]

why do people take me literally? It's called exaggeration......

Maybe if you didn't make the same stupid, and quite possibly hurtful exageration over and over, even after having been called on it, people wouldn't take it literally. Sorry to be blunt but just a thought. Its gotten old, not just because of your doing... but it has gotten old

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170721&page=3][/url]
You know how?


They probably made so much money from Eclipse (Eblade) liscensing fees, they lowered the price of the Ion. LOL

Those Nazi's are trying to monopolize on everyone.

[mag88888]

it took people a while to a while to atch on that that is exensive and isnt n cmpitition with the ion. its ediculous!!!!!!!!!! loo =k at that thing, its awesome. thank god somonw figured it out. my gosh people, get it right.

[Chronobreak]

it took people a while to a while to atch on that that is exensive and isnt n cmpitition with the ion. its ediculous!!!!!!!!!! loo =k at that thing, its awesome. thank god somonw figured it out. my gosh people, get it right.

hope your not blaming us?

way to yell at people who were given the wrong info

btw how do you make presales of a creased magazine cover?

[mag88888]

sorry peeps. your right, that was uncalled for.

[Kallahan]

Composits generaly are formed with layers of plastic. ceramics, and air. They are not cheap, and they are VERY strong and VERY light.

This is going to be a higher price point marker, no doubt.

[Lohman446]

I guess you forgot all of the true PAINTBALL companies before smart parts that didn't patent things just to try and crush competetion. If you are so capitalistic you should realize competetion is whats important, not allowing a company to buy the rights to a gun and then patent it as their design and as the 1st one like it especially when WDP had the angel out before the shocker, but not on the market. Bottom line, tons of companies before electros could have patented things and they chose not to, SP will never get buisness from me for their actions.

EDIT as for the nazi reference, its a figure of speech and if you're too slow to get it, theres no other explanation needed as to why you would support SP as a paintball player.

Ready for this explanation. Patenting something and enforcing patents is a business decision. SOmetimes you don't because it could harm you.

Well I respect AGD for not patenting HPA if you don't think this was a considered business decision....

Say they had controlled it - would other manufacturers have made it - woudl it have been accepted into the tournament field. If HPA had never been allowed where would the automag be today, I don't recall them being overly impressive on CO2.

I'm not to slow to get the figure of speech - however I am smart enough to realize its a horrible analogy and a knee jerk reaction. Think of something better and smarter than the Nazi reference

[JAM]

I agree.
I happen to like plastic guns and "plastic" certainly does not = cheap.

While Iam not one who runs around saying the Glock is the ultimate hundgun, what planet are you from. Glock is one of the most rugged and reliable weapons platforms out there. No police agencies that I know have given up the glock, including mine. I know one local agency that leaves a Glock hanging in a tree and shoots it with every academy class that comes through. That gun has never failed. I would like to know what agencies you are talking about or who told you this.

Also how does brass foul a chamber? Gunpowder residue will foul, dirt will foul, but brass is just brass. Have you ever seen a handgun? Do you know what a Glock is. Please provide me with your info because it is wrong.

Where do I get my info..... current firearms instructor in law enforcement, prior law enforcement special operations, certified glock armouer. Like I said the glock is not the perfect pistol (needs a manuel safety and a trigger disconnect) but not because of what you describe.