Ion shells are pretty tough

[Duzzy]

wtf ever. get over it

Wow, that is all I can say...

[MarkM]

wtf ever. get over it

Oi! You might have had your nose put out of joint by others giving you a hard time about ramping etc but I am very closely associated with TAG so any mis-information I will comment on. Now that said take a look at the bottom of this forum and take a look at the names to the bottom right and read that before you decide to reply.

[bound for glory]

thanks guys i'm glad to see most are into safty. some people just don't get it, do they?

[Vigilantrix]

http://www.ion-owners.com/modules.ph...download&cid=2
watch the 3 dissasembly videos.
So, SP doesn't make anything good Cameo? Then why does the Ion have 14000 guns backordered and SP getting 1500 new orders a day?!

Because people are stupid...

[tony3]

thanks guys i'm glad to see most are into safty. some people just don't get it, do they?

You've been playing since 1985, way way longer then myself, hell, I wasn't even alive in 85.

I have heard this from lots of the older people on the forum that this discussion keeps coming up. Pumps to semi, 12g to CA, mech to electro, now it is semi to ramping. All of these things were going to "ruin" paintball, guess what? We are still around. Guess who was involved in all of these changed and helped make them possible? AGD. Agd was really the first person to make a reliable, fast semi. They pioneered the nitro tank which allowed us to fire at high rates of fire without worrying about co2 freezing. What about the 6pak, it made guns legal for tournies where it was 12g only, yet you could change them almost like you were using CA. I am sure you remember, paintball was going to be ruined.

Look now, the speed issue. The things that basically started all this were the halo and the was board. Was board allowed us to use bounce and shoot extremely fast. The halo could feed that speed. Right now, psp has the rof limited to 15 bps, still pretty damn fast, but capable of hurting someone? Of course, but so is 10 bps. It all comes down to the user. Even with the new 15 bps rule, when you take your finger off the trigger, you still are stopping that string. When you hit a guy once, there is no need to keep firing. It comes down to the user. Nppl has the semi only thing pretty well controlled with the robot and the fear of being DQ'd. If a tourney can inforce the 15 bps cap, I say do it, just throws out people using 20 bps ramping guns without the first 3 semi pull rule.

Do I think ramping/psp rules is good for rec ball? No. Look at those guys with a5's with response triggers though, they can shoot just as fast as any ramping gun. No one seems to bother those guys at the rec field. Hell, at a tourney last weekend one guy was using a reactive a5 and no one said anything to him, but ramping wasn't suppose to be allowed. He was definitely shooting more then 1 ball per pull. Honestly, at a well monitored professional field I have seen people get lit up, but nothing horrible. Maybe fields should start punishing people that overshoot a lot? Maybe the gun makers should come together and put 15 bps semi only capped boards in there guns that are non removable and non reprogrammable? That will never happen though, we tried it once, and it didn't work, it was only 13 back then though. Guess who stuck with it the longest of most of the manufactuers? Smart parts. They had 13.7 capped boards in their non-vision imps till the death of them.

[Duzzy]

I actually think AKA was the last one to lift the limit although I could be wrong...

[VAballer]

tony3, I totally agree to your post. It is up to the user as to how responsible he will be with his marker. Just last month I played woodsball and people were using FA and no one seemed to care.

[Twiek]

its:
17 semi
15 ramp
and i think like 10 for burst and full auto

It'll do 17 bps in ramping mode as well.

the ion is gonna create a revolution. there will be a race to sell aluminum guns before every company comes out with cheaper, lighter, and better composite ones (not the titanium rip-offs like the DMC).

OK, let me clear this up:

Plastic != Composite.
Polymer != Composite.
Plastic == Polymer.
Ion's Shell != Composite.
specificly,
"Space Aged Polymer" that the Ion's shell is made out of == Cheap, light, easy to machine plastic developed in the 1940's

[Lohman446]

It'll do 17 bps in ramping mode as well.

I don't beleive that is true, my understanding is ramping mode is limited to 15BPS

[VAballer]

I don't beleive that is true, my understanding is ramping mode is limited to 15BPS

You are correct.

[Twiek]

Wait a minute.

Do some of you seriously have beef with the Ion because it comes with a ramping mode??

Because it's "unsafe"? A 'marker without a barrel cover in a non-play area is unsafe... I'd be more upset at the manufacturers that don't include a barrel cover than those that include some specific firing mode.

And what about full auto? As a firing mode it's 929846876 times more dangerous than ramping. If you clamp the trigger in ramping mode it stops firing.... Yet nobody complains that 90% of all electronic markers (especially the lower cost ones) come with a full auto mode.

Be upset all you want about ramping and the rules regarding ramping... but ripping on a marker simply because it includes ramping is ludicrous. You might as well say "The Chevy Corvette sucks because it can go 180mph".

[Lohman446]

Gentle there.. I own an Ion, I have owned several Shockers with ramping..

My issue with ramping mode is the violation of ASTM standards and the concern that its acceptance in "organized" events is going to result in both civil and criminal issues. I have no issue with the Ion for having it (ok, I do, but...) I am more concerned about its use and the acceptance of it.

Edit: I am basically begging the industry, the tournaments, etc. to give me a good scientific study that states it is reasonably safe - so that if it comes up to why I violated ASTM standards I have a more current scientific document to hold up in my defense.

[magman#1]

i have played with alot of people that ramped, and i never get shot more than 2 or 3 times

[Glickman]

i have played with alot of people that ramped, and i never get shot more than 2 or 3 times

vs bounce where you can be shot by balls uncontrollably

[Twiek]

Gentle there.. I own an Ion, I have owned several Shockers with ramping..

My issue with ramping mode is the violation of ASTM standards and the concern that its acceptance in "organized" events is going to result in both civil and criminal issues. I have no issue with the Ion for having it (ok, I do, but...) I am more concerned about its use and the acceptance of it.

Edit: I am basically begging the industry, the tournaments, etc. to give me a good scientific study that states it is reasonably safe - so that if it comes up to why I violated ASTM standards I have a more current scientific document to hold up in my defense.

I agree with you there. My post wasn't targeted at you, it was targeted at those who rip on the Ion simply because it has ramping.