Ion shells are pretty tough

[Twiek]

I don't beleive that is true, my understanding is ramping mode is limited to 15BPS

You're confusing two things.

Some tournament rules (such as PSP) allow ramping/etc. but limit the speed to 15 bps.

The Ion, however, can shoot at 17bps in ramping mode (how else would anybody be able to shoot that fast?).

Here is a sound clip of my Ion in ramping mode. The distance between peaks is 0.060 s, or about 16.7bps.

[Glickman]

I agree with you there. My post wasn't targeted at you, it was targeted at those who rip on the Ion simply because it has ramping.

its there, doesnt mean you have to use it.

not targeted at anyone specifically:

yea, lets all go target a5 rts. 75% of the time i see them on fields its set to full auto. do you always use the cigarette lighter in your car? ok, its ramps a feature, dont want it? dont use it.

[Lohman446]

You're confusing two things.

Some tournament rules (such as PSP) allow ramping/etc. but limit the speed to 15 bps.

The Ion, however, can shoot at 17bps in ramping mode (how else would anybody be able to shoot that fast?).

Here is a sound clip of my Ion in ramping mode. The distance between peaks is 0.060 s, or about 16.7bps.

My Shockers in ramping I chronoed at 14BPS - the Ion sounds to be about the same, I will have to try it.

PS - I think that Shockers ramping to 15BPS (or close) was based on early knowledge of the PSP cap.

I also thought the Ion manual (which I have no clue where I put) stated rebound was capped at 15BPS

Edit: I could be wrong, we all know that of course

[ICP]

Spyders still have 13bps caps, personally I think they should all be there, but your right, it won't ever happen, until something happens like lohman(sorry that doesn't look right) discusses about criminal negligance.
And if you are ramping(or shooting semi) at 15pbs, nobody (or very few) have quick enough reflexes to stop shooting in time so that only 1 or two balls hit the target (providing they are flying the exact same path). So the safety issue is valid IMO.

But to get back ON topic, glad to hear your shells survived a modest butt kicking.

You've been playing since 1985, way way longer then myself, hell, I wasn't even alive in 85.

I have heard this from lots of the older people on the forum that this discussion keeps coming up. Pumps to semi, 12g to CA, mech to electro, now it is semi to ramping. All of these things were going to "ruin" paintball, guess what? We are still around. Guess who was involved in all of these changed and helped make them possible? AGD. Agd was really the first person to make a reliable, fast semi. They pioneered the nitro tank which allowed us to fire at high rates of fire without worrying about co2 freezing. What about the 6pak, it made guns legal for tournies where it was 12g only, yet you could change them almost like you were using CA. I am sure you remember, paintball was going to be ruined.

Look now, the speed issue. The things that basically started all this were the halo and the was board. Was board allowed us to use bounce and shoot extremely fast. The halo could feed that speed. Right now, psp has the rof limited to 15 bps, still pretty damn fast, but capable of hurting someone? Of course, but so is 10 bps. It all comes down to the user. Even with the new 15 bps rule, when you take your finger off the trigger, you still are stopping that string. When you hit a guy once, there is no need to keep firing. It comes down to the user. Nppl has the semi only thing pretty well controlled with the robot and the fear of being DQ'd. If a tourney can inforce the 15 bps cap, I say do it, just throws out people using 20 bps ramping guns without the first 3 semi pull rule.

Do I think ramping/psp rules is good for rec ball? No. Look at those guys with a5's with response triggers though, they can shoot just as fast as any ramping gun. No one seems to bother those guys at the rec field. Hell, at a tourney last weekend one guy was using a reactive a5 and no one said anything to him, but ramping wasn't suppose to be allowed. He was definitely shooting more then 1 ball per pull. Honestly, at a well monitored professional field I have seen people get lit up, but nothing horrible. Maybe fields should start punishing people that overshoot a lot? Maybe the gun makers should come together and put 15 bps semi only capped boards in there guns that are non removable and non reprogrammable? That will never happen though, we tried it once, and it didn't work, it was only 13 back then though. Guess who stuck with it the longest of most of the manufactuers? Smart parts. They had 13.7 capped boards in their non-vision imps till the death of them.

[VAballer]

You're confusing two things.

Some tournament rules (such as PSP) allow ramping/etc. but limit the speed to 15 bps.

The Ion, however, can shoot at 17bps in ramping mode (how else would anybody be able to shoot that fast?).

Here is a sound clip of my Ion in ramping mode. The distance between peaks is 0.060 s, or about 16.7bps.

I believe you but according to ZDSpb's nifty calculator, you would have go below the boards lowest recharge rate (30 ms) in order the get a higher BPS. Or maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about.