Hype in paintball

[Lohman446]

Ok.. I started this thread for open discussion. First how do we define hype, what is it? Who uses it? To what end? How successful are they? Who doesn't use it? What does it cost them? What do they gain from not using it?

Let me state right away that I do not classify hype as bad - in fact it may be one of the considerations I made when deciding to shoot a Shocker. Where do you stand on it, what do you think?

[WARPED1]

Just about every PB company uses hype. Those that don't fade slowly into obscurity. Take AGD for example................

[RRfireblade]

First how do we define hype, what is it? Massive stretching,manipulation or pure fabrication of the facts.


Who uses it? Everyone who's still in business to some extent


To what end? That's up to the morals of the Hyper-er.


How successful are they? In most things ,quite a bit. Paintball seems to excel exceptionally but any area where the mentallity is to skim over the facts because I want it NOW will see the greatest results.


Who doesn't use it? What does it cost them? People going out of business.


What do they gain from not using it? Integrity,Trust

Let me state right away that I do not classify hype as bad - in fact it may be one of the considerations I made when deciding to shoot a Shocker.

Where do you stand on it, what do you think? Used in moderation and without excessive abuse, I'm fine with it. Every person has to make the judgement for themselves where they draw the line.

[WARPED1]

First how do we define hype, what is it? Massive stretching,manipulation or pure fabrication of the facts.


Who uses it? Everyone who's still in business to some extent


To what end? That's up to the morals of the Hyper-er.


How successful are they? In most things ,quite a bit. Paintball seems to excel exceptionally but any area where the mentallity is to skim over the facts because I want it NOW will see the greatest results.


Who doesn't use it? What does it cost them? People going out of business.


What do they gain from not using it? Integrity,Trust

Let me state right away that I do not classify hype as bad - in fact it may be one of the considerations I made when deciding to shoot a Shocker.

Where do you stand on it, what do you think? Used in moderation and without excessive abuse, I'm fine with it. Every person has to make the judgement for themselves where they draw the line.

Well said. I concur.........

[yakitori]

First how do we define hype, what is it? Massive stretching,manipulation or pure fabrication of the facts.


Who uses it? Everyone who's still in business to some extent


To what end? That's up to the morals of the Hyper-er.


How successful are they? In most things ,quite a bit. Paintball seems to excel exceptionally but any area where the mentallity is to skim over the facts because I want it NOW will see the greatest results.


Who doesn't use it? What does it cost them? People going out of business.


What do they gain from not using it? Integrity,Trust

Let me state right away that I do not classify hype as bad - in fact it may be one of the considerations I made when deciding to shoot a Shocker.

Where do you stand on it, what do you think? Used in moderation and without excessive abuse, I'm fine with it. Every person has to make the judgement for themselves where they draw the line.

does that apply to the pneumag frame?

[WARPED1]

does that apply to the pneumag frame?

PTP barely uses hype, so I doubt it ............

[Lohman446]

does that apply to the pneumag frame?

Most of the hype around that frame is from customers, not PTP.. PTP basically just released a video and some specifications a lot of what has been added has been by customers. Which leads me to point out, at least in my mind, hype is not limited to customers. Consumers, especially in competetition to validate there equipment, hype more than the companies. At least in my mind.

[Steelrat]

I think that a lot of hype is not generated by the company, but by the users themselves. I remember claims that the cyborg would shoot 2000 shots off a 45/4500 from multiple borg users, even though its just about impossible. I also see lots of user-generated hype over the ego, the current gun du jour. And lets not forget the incredible hype over the hAir trigger, may it rest in peace, generated by people who didn't own one, and in fact had never seen one in operation.

[Steelrat]

So, of course, Lohman posts something similar to mine while I am typing. Poop.

[yakitori]

Most of the hype around that frame is from customers, not PTP.. PTP basically just released a video and some specifications a lot of what has been added has been by customers. Which leads me to point out, at least in my mind, hype is not limited to customers. Consumers, especially in competetition to validate there equipment, hype more than the companies. At least in my mind.

do videos posted by the developer and pics entered into the GOTM w/ highlights saying 1mm pull, fully adjustable, etc. Is not hype from the company/manufacturer?

Is it not hype that it is posted on here and PBN forums? Tell me why a product that is put out by SP and its featured listed. For example the Ion. SP listed the features, and it was revolutionary in terms of price to performance. Then the consumers and ppl who frequent the Websites discuss and hype it up w/ information that they got from some undocument/illegit source is hyping it up....yet SP is responsible for the hype??

If so, why does that no apply to the pneumag frame. Ill bet if you ask any other forum other than AO that if the pneumag frame is hype or not, they will have diff. opinions.

HOw about a yes or no answer as to whether or not the pneumag is hype or not. Dont tell me PTP doesnt hype up. If so, your need to pull your head out of the sand.

[yakitori]

PTP barely uses hype, so I doubt it ............

bullshavec

[SlartyBartFast]

do videos posted by the developer and pics entered into the GOTM w/ highlights saying 1mm pull, fully adjustable, etc. Is not hype from the company/manufacturer?

That's not hype if it is true.

From Miriam-Webster:
Main Entry: hype
Function: noun
1 : DECEPTION, PUT-ON
2 : PUBLICITY; especially : promotional publicity of an extravagant or contrived kind


A simple video is promotion. It's not contrived, and hardly extravagent. Unless you can prove otherwise, it's not deceptive.

Everyone has to promote. Not all promotion is hype. But the line between the two is hazy open to interpretaion and opinion.

[yakitori]

That's not hype if it is true.

From Miriam-Webster:
Main Entry: hype
Function: noun
1 : DECEPTION, PUT-ON
2 : PUBLICITY; especially : promotional publicity of an extravagant or contrived kind


A simple video is promotion. It's not contrived, and hardly extravagent. Unless you can prove otherwise, it's not deceptive.

Everyone has to promote. Not all promotion is hype. But the line between the two is hazy open to interpretaion and opinion.

you guys are SOOOOOO biased. I dont see how you guys can say that other companies hype, but AGD doesnt? What a bunch of crap.

[RRfireblade]

Honestly, have we Hyped it so far? No, not yet. All I've done so far is given the function,the specs and some guestimates on other factors. (and posted some unspectacular vids )

Will we hype it when it's ready for sale? Sure as heck.I'm going to tell why I think it's a great product, why I think it's a great value, why I think you 'need' to buy it.I'm going to show all the positives in the best possible light and make it look attractive a product as possible.

Will I lie about it to make it sell? No way, Not a chance, Not a even a remote possiblity, not before I'm laying dead in a box pushing up daisys,never....period.

That's the difference that seperate the bottom feeder slime ball Hypemonsters from those with Integrity and Honor and hope to be in business for the long haul.

[SlartyBartFast]

you guys are SOOOOOO biased. I dont see how you guys can say that other companies hype, but AGD doesnt? What a bunch of crap.

YOU GUYS?!? Don't count me in that. And I thought you were bleating about PTP not AGD.

I just made a rather rational point that Hype is in the eye of the beholder. I'd even go so far as pointing out the same a Lohman, hype isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can hype good points...

However SOME hype is undeniably bad/exagerated and fits the negative connotation I posted. Such as seal forward technology, "winning, we patented that too", closed bolt accuracy, ....

Now, how about you go readjust the attitude and come back without the "you guys" chip on your shoulder.