Hype in paintball

[Lohman446]

I never said AGD didn't Hype. level ten was Hype - whether it performed as advertised or not it was hyped.

And Im with others on this.. Dont count me as one of you guys. One of my questions was deliberate. What happens to companies that don't hype? It should have read "hype effectively"

[yakitori]

my bad slarty. I didnt mean you guys in a threatening way. I actually didnt even mean to put AGD. I meant the pneumag frame. Its kinda funny cause what I am getting from this thread is.....Hype is deception and yet its not bad? Then companies that dont hype will go out of business? Then PTP doesnt hype yet there is a line of young ppl waiting for the Pneumag frame to come out just from watching the video on it. And what lies have other companies said about thier guns. That such and such gun is capable of 17bps? Is that not true. Such and such gun has breakbeam eyes? Is that not true? I just hear ppl complaining about hype as it is bad but only about the "other" guys gun or equipment.

Its bullcrap. Not all hype is bad I agree, but ppl here are using it in an attempt to show that "thier" product is not hyped in any way at all. I personally believe it is a load of garbage. How can you say that hype is bad, yet good, and that yours isnt hyped because it does what you say it does? Its twisted. Can you guys not see it that way? Not even if you try?

Seriously. As said before "low pressure Experts" is considered hype, yet "because quality shoots so straight" is not hype? And "designed for the art of winning" is hype, yet "posting vids and long arguments and patent infringements between Deadlywind and PTP and the PTP hype on the hair frame is not hype? THats absurd. Why is it any different. Do you fail to see that?

[Lohman446]

Seriously. As said before "low pressure Experts" is considered hype, yet "because quality shoots so straight" is not hype? ?

Both hype, as is designed for the art of winning. Posting videos and specs on the web.. well tis nto hype, but ignoring all the hype that comes out of it, well thats hype in a way.

"the low pressure experts" sounds great, but the benefits of low pressure are unproven. "quality always shoots straight" Sounds great, but does that mean you are quality? This is what I mean... there a lot of hype in paintball, around nearly every successful company. Sometimes its not from the company, but it is from the players. Often its both.

[yakitori]

I guess I can see what you mean. I just didnt think that since it was a slogan, it was hype. As for the Pneumag frame, we will see how hyped it was when it comes out and ppl use it or experience probs w/ it. That kinda puts some pressure on the ppl who posted vids, and designed it. Thats right. They had better hope that ppl have no probs, and that it works great.

Personally I prefer my trigger pull to be about 3mm, 1mm is just too short for me. I cant get a good rhythm (spell?) w/ that short of a pull. RRfireblade, you better hope that thing rocks like it does in the vid when everyone puts them on backorder

and has anyone ever showed that it is unshortstrokable. (is that a word? it is now. )

[RRfireblade]

It seems quite clear to everyone but you perhaps.

There is good hype and bad hype.

Hype, as in to create excitement and promotion using reliable facts and accurate and clearly stated details to generate interest in good faith.


And...

Hype, as in the use deception, distorted truth or out right lies to generate interest.

"Come to my Party this weekend. It will best party this summer. I'll have good music, good food and I promise a good time for all."


"Come to my Party this weekend, It will be better than any party ever thrown by anybody else in history. Just by showing up ,it will make you stronger,smarter and better looking.Mearly being present will change your life for ever."

There is a difference and those who are are the victims of the latter 'are' the intended targets and truly the victims overall.

That's the point of this whole thread.

[yakitori]

but, nobody in this thread has showed that kind of statements coming from not ONE single company. All Ive seen is Low pressure experts so far. Ive not seen SP, Dye, or AKA KNOWN PROVEN Legitimate statements that give ppl the reason for saying they have Hyped (the bad kind, since I dont know the differnce ) their markers.

[tony3]

Hype is basically used in all aspects of buisness. Look at gillete. The mach 3 power is so hyped. They just released their new "nitro" version which does nothing at all, just a new color. The fact that the m3 power really doesn't do anything aswell. Hype is used in all buisness.

[RRfireblade]

RRfireblade, you better hope that thing rocks like it does in the vid when everyone puts them on backorder

and has anyone ever showed that it is unshortstrokable. (is that a word? it is now. )

I will promise you this:

if when it goes into production,it's not what it is intended to be I'll be the first to say so. After I build the Protos, it's out of my hands.I can only hope it stays true to form. There are those on this board and others that have shot the Pneumag as more people do,they can surely speak for themselves.'Lee' has at our event last month for instance and I expect 4-5 other AO'ers at our next event who will as well.

I will appologize by the way,if in some manner I have given you reason to have a negitive impression of Myself, the Pneumag or PTP.

I'm just a regular person like everyone else, I just happen to build stuff for a living and when they work out well AND I'm allowed to talk about it since many times I'm not, I get excited about it. The fact is, I'm not the one selling anything, I don't make a dime off of it if it does sell and I gain nothing for promoting it.You have NO idea I swear to you, the amount of time I spend answering PMs,chat convos, hundreds of thread postings, emails and phone calls.It staggering from this one product alone not to mention the others that are 'not' AO mag related. If I hadn't posted anything 'no one' would even know about it, maybe that would have been for the best IDK. I'm just one person doing what I can to promote the sport and mags when ever possible. Hopefully that 'Hype' will prevail over everything else.

Jay.

[Lohman446]

but, nobody in this thread has showed that kind of statements coming from not ONE single company. All Ive seen is Low pressure experts so far. Ive not seen SP, Dye, or AKA KNOWN PROVEN Legitimate statements that give ppl the reason for saying they have Hyped (the bad kind, since I dont know the differnce ) their markers.

This took a long while to find, it was on AKA's website in 2001 under the automags section "The AutoMag is a good rec. play gun. Made from stainless it will last a long time without heavy maintenance. However the design has a few flaws, one of which is the on-off. Being a blow forward gun it is a short to medium range gun. It's a good beginners gun."

Read that thread in historic http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ight=alexander

AKA has hyped hard in the past

I would also point ot there "they would fight and win the SP lawsuit" followed by rolling over, which hurt a lot of there vendors who had faith that they backed what they said.

[Jimbud]

but, nobody in this thread has showed that kind of statements coming from not ONE single company. All Ive seen is Low pressure experts so far. Ive not seen SP, Dye, or AKA KNOWN PROVEN Legitimate statements that give ppl the reason for saying they have Hyped (the bad kind, since I dont know the differnce ) their markers.

Ok here is an example from the Smartparts web site for the all americain barrel:

pure b.s.

[RRfireblade]

Dye:

Innovative technology bought someone elses patent,not even that concept was innovativeand evolving style have taken the DM5 to the next level define 'next' level? How many could there be at 1.5K price . Performance, dependability and elegance are standard. since when is elegance a feature?

The DM5 is simply a perfect synthesis of form and function according to who?, allowing you to control it like it was an extension of yourself. Extreme 23 bps rate of fire at your fingertips allows you to command the field in front of you while offering your next move. who can pull that fast?plus many other markers are faster max ROF Intelligent electronic control (IEC) allows you to customize your firing and gas consumption options to provide the performance efficiency that you desire. uhm, a dwell setting? that's a big leapThe DM5 body's dynamic contours and symmetric edges reflect elegant beauty while encasing the patented Fuse bolt technology. Dye's precision quality aluminum construction, coupled with unmatched engineering, compared to who? provides dependability that you can rely on. These features simply make the DM5 the absolute ultimate paintball marker in the world. if that's true, no other marker in that price range would ever be sold

I guarrantee a bullet will tear right thru that shoe tho

Smart Parts:

The Shocker SFT provides the high rate of fire and simplicity of design found in most open bolt markers yet has the incredible accuracy and razor flat trajectory heralded in closed bolt markers. think that says it all right there

The All-American has proven to be the most accurate barrel made, year after year after year. your kidding me right?The accuracy is due to the original Smart Parts patent. Our spiral porting allows a paintball to regain its shape after the taxing initial sendoff a marker gives it when the trigger is pulled. since when does porting effect accuracy?Our stepped bore design also helps flight stability and assists in velocity consistency..... Stock marker barrels are disappointing at best, usually nothing more than an aluminum tube with threading at one end. what's theirs made of, plutonium?We wanted a barrel that was so accurate it was almost unbelievable, almost unreasonable. Here it is. well they got that one right

Bob Long:

Bob Long continues to set the standards and then raises them each time he introduces a new marker. 5 diferent models each year and we're still waiting for a 'new' one

A tremendous value for the money, all markers in the Intimidator series offer accuracy, reliability and affordability. value? find me one person that thinks a Timmy is a value marker

It's the first choice in markers for many high caliber professional players as well as demanding amateur players. we all know pros don't choose anything they use

Kingman:

http://www.kingman.com/index_05.html

Just click on ANYTHING


AGD:

"Once in a while, there comes a product that revolutionizes the way the game is played. [LvL 10] Um...no I don't think it will

That's just a few, I think it makes the point. And for the record I own markers from each of those companies.

[Lohman446]

Hype.. started by consumers, and encouraged by the company

Remember the green M&M... the urban legend that everyone seems to know that it is an aphrodesiac. No scientific evidence to support it, and I think most people know better.

But remember the green M&M when it was on the commercial? Mars certainly made use of that hype.

[AGDlover]

[tony3]

That's just a few, I think it makes the point. And for the record I own markers from each of those companies.

Good post, just shows how much hype is used in paintball by ALL companies.

[CoolHand]

I think the art of hype has really been brought to its pinacle in paintball. The PB world as refined and reconstituted pure hype, to the point that it needs a new definition:

Hype - Verb, Noun, insult, slang, trump card for loosing arguments:

The art of saying a lot, while actually saying nothing, and letting the buying public fill in the blanks with whatever motivates them to buy things the most.

The only analogy that can be drawn at this time, is the age old paradox of the scary movie monster. If the audience never sees the monster, the movie is exponentually scarier because the monster in question becomes every movie goer's worst nightmare. If you show it, then its a let down.

In much the same way, ad hype is a shell game with the facts. The idea is to constantly flirt with the facts, and say wonderful things, which really mean nothing, while disclosing as little as possible. This way the consumer gets to fill in the blank spots with whatever they need to in order to convince themselves that they need to buy the product in question. Giving a bunch of facts just gets in their way, and can be a letdown.

This is the line I draw to decide if what I am hearing is BS or not:

If it says wonderful things, but contains no verifiable facts, then it is likely hype of the above order.

If, on the other hand, it speaks highly of the product, but also contains a list of features and facts that are verifiable, then I don't call it hype. That's just good advertising.

Like my pappy always said ---> "It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."