Has the electro seen its peak?

**Deltree** · 08-01-2005, 11:17 AM

I don't feel like they've reached a peak, with the introduction of low-priced high performance guns such as the ion, wrath or promaster, I feel like they'll only continue to grow in popularity. I think the resurgance in pump guns is from players just looking to try something new.

I play both ends,

Its allways fun to go and play on a feild where you're totally at a firepower disadvantage and shoot people out. You get that thrill of pegging someone with that one shot and everyone else on the feild thinks you're a total badass from going out there and playing with the superguns with your measly little pump gun.

But then again most of the time I play I'll use the Angel because I don't feel like being outgunned. I guess for me using the pump is more of a macho thing than anything else, going out and playing just as well as anyone else and having all these kids with their ions watching it all in disbelief, and then thinking "wow thats cool I've gotta get one of those."

**dahoeb** · 08-01-2005, 03:00 PM

i tried out the electro seen with an impulse originally a few years back, it didn't go so well, then i got an emag. the emag still felt and shot exactly like my mech mag so i didn't see much use for it, i sold it. then i got a viking. the marker shot good and i really didn't have any complaints with it other than weight. either way, i've gone to electro and gone back to a mag about 3 times, and i think i finally realized that mags/mechs are the markers for me.

WELL ever since i got my viking, it just didn't feel the thrill of the game any more, and because of it i even noticed i was playing more lazily and just not as into the games as i once was. so half way through the day, i switched over to my ule mag and it just felt right being in my hands, a feeling of getting reaquainted with an old friend or something. thing is that i was having a lot more fun and when i was having more fun, i got more eliminations, which puts more smileys on my face! yaayy for smileys!

i have seen more players ditching imps and other electros for pumps, but for every player i see moving back to mech or pump, i see 2 little agg kiddies decked out with dye gear that is way to large on them. haha it looks sorta funny actually.
i dunno, i just can't wait to buy my mag parts from rogue/themagsmith.com, probably one of the best mag sites i've seen. i'm looking forward to re-joining the fold.

**nate2k191** · 08-01-2005, 09:21 PM

the peak of electros? my answer is that they aren't going to get that much better because shooting over 25 bps is just worthless... waste of paint, no room to hold all the paint, and 25 definately gets the job done.

They could rise in popularity with new technology, more affordibility, less weight, or higher quality.

its tough to play with guys shooting 20bps when you use a spider, tippman or pump. its hard to get your shot off in the rain of paint on your position. i felt i needed a faster marker than a standard mag, so i got an emag. i'm positive it will be the only marker i need. it can shoot slow, for woods/scenario and it can keep up/hang with the ions, most of all its AGD.

**slade** · 08-01-2005, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by nate2k191

the peak of electros? my answer is that they aren't going to get that much better because shooting over 25 bps is just worthless... waste of paint, no room to hold all the paint, and 25 definately gets the job done.

when have you ever shot 25 bps? there is NO way you could sustain that legally, and ramping is generally capped to 15 bps. even with uncapped ramping youre not all that likely to reach 25, let alone break it. a lot of marker designs cant even sustain 25 bps.

**Pyroboy597** · 08-01-2005, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by slade

when have you ever shot 25 bps? there is NO way you could sustain that legally, and ramping is generally capped to 15 bps. even with uncapped ramping youre not all that likely to reach 25, let alone break it. a lot of marker designs cant even sustain 25 bps.

Not true. Ion's can sustain 25bps when the predator board is installed (with ramping) as well as shockers and nerves. Angels have demo modes that are up to 32bps and ive seen cockers shoot around 28.

**slade** · 08-01-2005, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Pyroboy597

Not true. Ion's can sustain 25bps when the predator board is installed (with ramping) as well as shockers and nerves. Angels have demo modes that are up to 32bps and ive seen cockers shoot around 28.

are all these sound verified with a video, shooting paint? dont trust what the board says. i remember hearing the ION's noid cant sustain over 17 (which is why the board is capped at that) of course angels can reach 32 dry firing just as mags can top that, but that is without paint and completely illegal. he was talking about in game, and ramping, not full auto. and also, i remember seeing a warpig test that showed that halo's cant even feed up to 25 bps on gun, so even if your marker CAN shoot that on full auto (ramping is questionable) in game you most likely cant. not that youd ever need to though.

**firebanex** · 08-01-2005, 10:15 PM

I just traded off my angel ir3 for a 2nd phantom. Just cause playing with a semi was not comforatble for me, I get much more of an adrenilin rush from playing pump.

who knows? i hope more people play pump and perhaps see why some of us like it so much.

electros, I don't really mind, I think they are here to stay and will always be the "thing" to have.

**nate2k191** · 08-01-2005, 11:46 PM

firebanex- i agree "electros will be the thing to have", and i bet pump is fun, i should try.

slade- i wasnt sure on a max bps, i havent shot 25 or over, but i've just heard of mid 20's bieng shot so i figured it was a reasonable max.

**Aslan** · 08-02-2005, 02:11 AM

possible solution

One field in my area separates groups into general and advanced...and any electronics on your marker (even an electronic hopper) moves you to advanced class. I dislike it because HPA/N2 tanks also move you into advanced class and my Mag hates CO2...BUT...overall I really like the idea. It allows newbs a place to play where some guy walking his 17bps shocker or Angel isn't just emptying 5 pods onto the field. It also gives old schoolers like myself a division to play in where I don't have to deal with the attitudes. If I had to put up with 13 year olds swearing at me...I'd be too tempted to pound em...then I'd go to jail.

The one thing, like I said, that I don't like about it is the HPA rule. It should be mech division and then electro division. The HPA rule seems to discriminate against Mags. I mean, there's no way that me going on a field with a classic automag gives me as much of an advantage as a guy with a $600 Tippmann flatline.

Anyways, I think if more fields seperated out electros into a separate class, paintball would be more enjoyable for all. Another field I go to doesn't seperate out classes...and I hate it. There's always 1-2 guys there...even on a slow day...that are shooting timmys or shockers or imps or suped up cockers and they just shoot the crap out of people. If they do get hit...they wipe or get really pissed off. Then in the staging area, they brag about how they lit up some little kid or something like that. I don't mind it too much...because I love shooting them...but it makes the day less fun for new and young players and they go home thinking they need $2000 markers to play paintball which I think is the wrong message to send.

**latches109** · 08-02-2005, 03:13 AM

I would love to show up to sc village and be able to play stock again. One of the reasons I stopped playing for years, until I found the intensity of speedball. I still have my taso stock, just waiting for that day. Not pump but stock class; and I remember the Grizwalds kicking our teenaged butts with PGPs, when we were shooting mags.

**x86assembly** · 08-02-2005, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by afultz075

.. I realized that I simply had more fun in the sport playing rec-ball whenever I wanted like in my earlier days of paintball .....
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I feel the same way brother.

**billmi** · 08-02-2005, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by RogueFactor

When I said the last 10 years, it didnt mean 1995 only, but within 1995-2005.

So pretty much, 95 to the present, the same timespan I was talking about.

While I agree that back-orders can be 'out of stock' artifically, you are comparing 1 marker(X-Mag) model from one company to an existing sector of the paintball playing community that has its own dedicated manufacturers, its own tournaments, and its own dedicated forums. Not a fair comparison.

I think it is pretty fair. It's a product with a relatively small share of the market, quite similar.

I respectfully disagree

Wait, we're not agreeing, but we are both respecting each other. Are we really on the Internet? :-)

with popularity and demand not being an indicator. Every business will forecast sales to be able to gear up for production, no matter how rudimentary that forecasting is.

While electro pundits love to portray the pump community as dying, it doesnt seem to be. And from reading just the few that have posted to this thread, the electro-mentality is fueling the growth.

I really don't think I'd say that pumps were necessarily dying, but I'd describe them as a *very* small niche market relative to paintball as a whole, and I don't believe it's really seen that significant of a level of a growth, at least not to the point that pump/stock pundits would want us to believe that there's a "pump comeback" coming. Sure there are some pump forums online, but there's also some Rainmaker forums online, I don't see a Rainmaker comeback happening. There aren't any national, or even regional pump or stock class tournament series going, the closest their ever was were the stock class competitions in the Pan Am, and those only existed because CCI was good enough to sponsor them, providing guns, and they were run on finals day of an existing tournament series, where there were already players looking for something to do. They didn't have a strong draw of teams attending just for the stock competition (though there were some.) Personally I'd *love* to see a stock class revival, on a very big scale, I just don't think it's happening.

**RogueFactor** · 08-02-2005, 08:49 AM