the one thing that could save automags.

[maglover728]

What they need to do is begin to advertise again.

[Indignant]

cultish brand loyalism.

Hell, that's all they DO have going for them at this point.

[Jaan]

Hell, that's all they DO have going for them at this point.

But the masses of heathens must be converted.

[GT]

Done -----> http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=179550

What else you got?

450 for frame + 400 for mag =

[Glickman]

go ahead....


poke if it you want



yea, everyones gonna ditch they're autocockers to invest another $400 to have well.. not much more in the way of benifits.

[KalFalnal]

In the mid 90s when I was playing with rentals and eventually a Spyder classic my friends had automags. That was the marker to have, autococker is the only other I remember hearing about back than. When I recently started playing again, automags were seemingly nowhere to be found. Than I saw the Tac-One on specialopspaintball.com as part of their 'Longbow' sniper setup.

I just ordered my tac one Friday.

I think AGD should consider pursuing the scenario/woodsball market. Right now Tippman and some mil-sim brands dominate that area. But in terms of performance there really isn't a high end 'woodsball' marker. You've got the Tippman 98 Custom at entry level and the A5 is considered the best marker marker for that type of play. I think that the Tac-One and mags in general could easily be positioned as the top-tier marker off the speedball field. In the specops community this is already beginning with the realization that the Tac-One is an all around better marker than the A5.

Players who spend most of their time in the woods prefer not to mess with electronics and batteries as they are more vulnerable to weather and rough handlig. We also play longer games further from a convient spot to dissassmble an A5's grip just to put i a new battery. Thats why I chose the tac one, all mechanical operation, reputation for reliablity, able to reach high rates of fire. Well, those reasons and the q-loader horizontal feedneck that spec ops makes for their "Q-Bow" setup.

I'd like to see a mechanical automag mainbody like the tacone's without the rails or whatever makes it so expensive. Something sufficiently 'milsim' looking to catch the attention of the woodsballers and scenario players but at a more affordable price. In general though, I think that the cheaper mags as they are could do well with these players if they were more aware of them.

Many of you may not realize it but there are masses of players out in the woods. Speedball gets all the media coverage and corporate attention but that doesn't mean thats where the majority of players are.

[Glickman]

Many of you may not realize it but there are masses of players out in the woods. Speedball gets all the media coverage and corporate attention but that doesn't mean thats where the majority of players are.

wow... never thought of that.

/sarcasm


if its not marketable, it wont be around for long. obviously speedball is much more marketable then scenarioball.

but, i will go out on a sterotype to say that woodsballers are generally looking to spend less then the average speedballer, and the automag doesnt cater to that.

[KalFalnal]

wow... never thought of that.

/sarcasm


if its not marketable, it wont be around for long. obviously speedball is much more marketable then scenarioball.

but, i will go out on a sterotype to say that woodsballers are generally looking to spend less then the average speedballer, and the automag doesnt cater to that.

It is marketable. Look at Special Ops Paintball for example. Its not as flashy as speedball, not as easy to put on tv and doesn't sell as many paintballs. That doesn't mean it isn't a huge market.

Yes, many woodsballers are looking to spend less money. But have you seen the equipment they buy? Look at the
A5 mods for example. Most of the things they buy for their markers don't even neccesarily improve thier performance; stocks, scopes, etc. But, I suppose with all the money saved on paint and few high end markers being marketed to them they have to spend all that money on something.

[*ArKfEaR*]

They need to redo the mag valve itself, before you jump out attacking me let me explain why.

Now the X-Valve is amazing, Level 10 is amazing, but take the normal day to day paintball consumer or player better yet and picture them figuring out tuning Level 10. Just picture the small things that you know to watch out with your mag that other people dont. People say the mag is simple but when it comes down to it for a normal person its pretty confusing.

Shims, O rings, spacers, springs... people dont want to do this.

They need a permanent Level 10 (or whatever the next level may be) That doesnt EVER need to be adjusted or MINORLY retuned but it needs to be easy to acess. Although, once Level 10 is set its usually golden, but sometimes just taking your mag apart for cleaning and maintainence can throw it off.

Now this is just saying mechanically.

However, if there were to be an E-Blade type deal for a mag that included the frame, eye, and maybe a different spring or bolt made to handle the speeds (unless it wasn't needed). There definitley would be a chance of seeing Mags come back, because it definitley brought Cockers back.

If you have a cocker, you can throw on an E1 for around 100 bux. With maybe a bolt upgrade and a different Ram, your set.

and Devil Mags are just way too expensive sorry.

[Indignant]

But the masses of heathens must be converted.

You don't really get it, do you?


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KalFanal, it not being a huge market isn't the problem. It's that it is not as BIG of a market, in the same sport.

[Lohman446]

an eblade for mags. im serious..everyone pays attention to planet eclipse, and if they came out with a mag frame.....people would probably ditch their cockers for mags..

if this is a stupid post, its late...thats why.

Lets say we could get everyone currently using an E-'Cocker to switch to a mag... you still wouldn't dent SP, Dyes, or National sales would you...

[*ArKfEaR*]

Lets say we could get everyone currently using an E-'Cocker to switch to a mag... you still wouldn't dent SP, Dyes, or National sales would you...

It shouldnt be about denting sales or getting people to switch over. Who the frig cares what guns people shoot. The goal should be to get an ACTUAL upgrade thats obtainable for EVERYONE to upgrade their current mag into a FAST, UNCHOPPABLE, machine. Which is what E-blades did for cockers.

[matt-o]

It shouldnt be about denting sales or getting people to switch over. Who the frig cares what guns people shoot. The goal should be to get an ACTUAL upgrade thats obtainable for EVERYONE to upgrade their current mag into a FAST, UNCHOPPABLE, machine. Which is what E-blades did for cockers.

i refer you to coolhand's post

[MadPSIence]

i refer you to coolhand's post

i see a lot of referring and little buying.

[teufelhunden]

i see a lot of referring and little buying.

I see a lot of lips moving.. but no words.