the one thing that could save automags.

[Maggot6]

Coolhands post in the second page of this needs to be put in a serperate thread, possibly stickied.

It's a shame that I don't want any other electro, otherwise coolhands frane would be my first bet, then off to AKA or MacDev....And well, by the time I will want another electro, coolhand will probably reply to my email asking him saying "to bad, all the other maggers , uh, *farted* it up for you"....

[Teamslayer76]

Coolhands post in the second page of this needs to be put in a serperate thread, possibly stickied.

Amen to that.

I just hope this doesnt slow the process of makeing these frames.I'm really looking foward to seeing these put out. I'd love to see this happen as well as many many others. Also about not knowing or caring about the products outside of this forum, I actually found Logicpaintball.com before I found AO. I saw it from looking at a vert frame that said logic...well it just happened to be for a Mag.

With even more hope,
Teamslayer

[Duzzy]

It doesnt have to become and it isnt once was. It still IS. http://www.airgun.com/ The history speaks for itself doesnt it?

I'm speaking in terms of people's perceptions. And the majority of people outside AO don't think that AGD is a great company if they even know what it is...

[CoolHand]

Amen to that.

I just hope this doesnt slow the process of makeing these frames.I'm really looking foward to seeing these put out. I'd love to see this happen as well as many many others. Also about not knowing or caring about the products outside of this forum, I actually found Logicpaintball.com before I found AO. I saw it from looking at a vert frame that said logic...well it just happened to be for a Mag.

With even more hope,
Teamslayer

Nah, it won't slow me down. Hell, I'm committed now, I've got all the parts made. All I'm short right now is boards, and this argument isn't disturbing that one bit.

I was just kinda grumpy last night, and I have been seeing those "We need an EFrame!" posts for weeks now, while my project founders. It just pissed me off. I'm calmer now.

Felt good to blow off some steam though.

Have a good one (all of you, even the guys I was arguing with )

[MadPSIence]

Ryan I think you should be president of AGD, lol.

[CoolHand]

Ryan I think you should be president of AGD, lol.

I'll pass on that thanks. I've got enough troubles keeping up with what little business I have now. AGD may be small for an OEM, but they are loads bigger than me. I don't think I could handle Zupe's job.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though.

[Carbon]

the only thing "saving" Mags is this website.

[Glickman]

the only thing "saving" Mags is this website.

A-FREAKING-MEN to that!

[Jaan]

You don't really get it, do you?

Man, that just went right over your head huh? Wow.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

i think they are already doing it i look at the mag like a porches there expensive and they can perform but you don't buy a porches because its the fastest car, a mitsubishi evo 9 can outperform a porches and its the quarter of the price. but you buy it to be part of a small group nothing more nothing less. i here automags are doing well in the scenerio market. i like the way my automag is its my porche i don't want everybody and there monther owning one just a select few that want to be different. plus from what i notice most ao owners are cool people. i don't want everybody haveing one then i can't tell the pricks from the good guys.

i don't want no big marketing and hype takeing place i will say this you don't find your automag your automag finds you.

but then again i know i am weird i own apple computer, drive a nx2000, and ride a trikke.

[r-unit]

ryan (coolhand)

*cough* maybe you should look into making parts for the freestyle, timmy, or matrix *cough*

[JKR]

The one thing that can save Automags?

A marketplace that isn't littered with mindless drones who value form over function.

[warbeak2099]

I'm going to come right out and apologize to Ryan. I'm one of the people who has cried out for a good eframe w/ eyes for a long time. I didn't purchase the EM Ripper however. The reason I didn't is the simple fact that I couldn't. I just don't have the money. If I did I'd order one in a heartbeat. The reason I cried out for this frame is because it's a good idea and I figured that a lot of other people would be able to afford it. Not everyone on this forum is a highschool or college student. A lot of you other maggers are adults with careers.

The EM Ripper is still an awesome product and does make the mag able to compete again. However, the image just isn't there. People outside of AO don't know about the Ripper. People won't buy it just because it's a mag. Perhaps marketing the mag and the frame along with the devilframe to outsiders will do something. Maybe people who still think the mag is a slow, heavy peice of crap need to see these things shooting. Coming out with new products within AO will never help mags expand back into the popular scene. Having Warpig run an article on the new product will. Having the owners post on Pbnation and other forums will. Having an article in APG or Facefull will help.

Once again, I apologize for my involvement in the EM Ripper. In the future I'll let the people who can afford the product when it comes out be in charge of asking for it to be developed. I just had hoped that it would bring the mag back. However, I believe with marketing and such, the EM Ripper and the DevilMag can do that. Once again, if it's only made known to AO'ers, then it won't do a damn thing. But if we market these things as new improvements that can in fact make the mag a competitive, high-end gun again. I think it will help. Anyone see what I'm saying? Coolhand, you agree? Would you be adverse to sending the information to Warpig?

[Glickman]

i think they are already doing it i look at the mag like a porches there expensive and they can perform but you don't buy a porches because its the fastest car, a mitsubishi evo 9 can outperform a porches and its the quarter of the price. but you buy it to be part of a small group nothing more nothing less. i here automags are doing well in the scenerio market.

pick up a magazine that isnt 10 years old

[CoolHand]

I'm not opposed to making press releases and such, but I have a few phobias:

1) I have a general fear that for some reason it won't live up to my design expectations. I don't mind too much looking like an *** in front of you guys, because you've all seen most of the development, but to announce my folly to the world is a bit much to handle. I have tested and measured, and tested again, but you know Murphy. For this reason I wanted to wait until I had production parts in my hands, and a production model that had been tested. Once I am sure it is what I designed, THEN make the press release.

2) I hate lawyers. I hate dealing with them. But most of all, I hate getting letters from them. I doubt very seriously that SP would be worried about me enough to spend the money to have a C&D sent my way, but at the same time, its probably best if I don't just wave it in their faces. Now, maybe I have nothing to worry about, since I'm not the one doing the boards, or now that WDP is in the mix maybe SP is less about the whacking with lawsuits (especially now that DYE has a hold of them). But, just because the bull is asleep, that does not mean that its OK to cut through his field (You know, because he might wake up.). Publicity is a double edged sword. It will help sell more product, but it may also put your product on the desks of people you'd just as soon not see it.

I mean, lets face it. This project isn't big enough to even get noticed by SP, and then, they'd have to be the biggest ******** in recorded history to go after me for it. BUT, at the same time, that is a big steaming pile of BS that I don't need. So how far do you go? Send to WarPig, 68Cal, and FON, and hope them don't notice/care, or do you do the word of mouth thing and hope you don't get stuck with 75% of the batch?

Its a tough call, I will tell you that.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do, to tell you the truth. Being too successful is just as bad (or worse) than being a failure IMO. What happens if I do a press release or five, and sell 10X as many as I thought I would? I'm not sure I could handle 250 orders for these things.