Why has the 'Cocker survived, while the Mag suffers?

[Silverback]

Perception and rumor scuttled Automag

When the Automag first hit the market, there were few "Semis" available. I shot many an " Automagger' during tournies with their Mag apart in their lap. After about a year everything came together when the lvl 6 came out. When the one piece power tube came out it solved the Mags problem of jammimng. Sells took off after that, because everyone wanted a SEMI, and there weren't too many around.

There were many PRO teams that used "Automags", and I was on one of them; TEXAS STORM, a couple others were, ALL AMERICANS, and JAX'S WARRIORS In fact, Tom never smiled wider than when an Automag team beat a Cocker team.

But what killed the Mag was the perception that Mags break paint. I NEVER had this problem!!
In fact, when the LVL 10 came out, it took me almost a year to put one in my 1992 LVL 7 Mag. What paint did I shoot... Marbillizer, until EVIL came out, and I have rarely shot anything else.

How the Mag got the reputation for breaking paint I don't Know, since it was never an issue for myself or any other players I knew of using it.

Maybe if the LVL 10 had come out earlier.... We'll never know.

CHUFF CHUFF

[cledford]

One night at the IAO I was talking with Tom and I compared the Cocker to a Harley and a Mag to a Rice Rocket. He liked the analogy. They are almost perfect parallels. The harley/cocker - no one ever keeps it stock, it never performs at he level it "claims," you spend as much time fix/maintaining it as using it, it is based on extremely old technology and has a style or image associated with it - backed with a HUGE marketing campaign.

Mag/rice rocket - better engineered by the people that made it than any shop could ever "make better," no need in most cases for "upgrades" (that mostly are not made to the same tolerances/quality as the original parts), can keep it stock and it is "ready to race," based on cutting edge technology that is updated yearly. Oh and it does exactly what it claims and works regardless of how much or how little you maintain it.

What do you guys think? Is the American soul just enamored with "upgrading" things and spending money and time needlessly to coddle temperamental, old fashioned hardware?

-Calvin

[hipster]

I defend my post people don,t buy mags because you can,t find an electric one in a store and my e-mag came stock with a deadly wind body straight from agd they will put one on any mag bought you just pick it

[tyrion2323]

I think it's quite a stretch to say that cockers are still going strong.

They're not.

[TheTramp]

I totaly agree with that. You can't give away a mechanical Cocker and even the E-Cockers are are going cheap.

[WARPED1]

I saw a nice E1 Eblade go for ~$250! I'm currently looking for one now.

[VFX_Fenix]

How many cockers come stock with a Karnivor body?

All other stock Cocker bodies look like the basic cocker extrusion with a few machine cuts equivalent to the basic cuts of the ULE body.

Ummm... Every Karnivor ever made? (j/k)

This is true, however in the price you're paying for the Karnivor you're also getting an eCocker.

Karnivor $1000
Karta Body Mag $720

Cost/Benefit analisys should point you in the right direction here.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Clearly because you can mow muppets much better with a cocker!

[dahoeb]

Clearly because you can mow muppets much better with a cocker!

yes. the muppets.

but seriously, i do think the fact that the cocker has a back block is a big reason they're half as successful as they are.

most of us, when we were newbs, have probably seen a guy with a cocker just blasting away, and that backblock just going back and forth like their was no tomorrow. i don't know about you guys, but i was watching the marker fire and i was like, "man, that thing is awesome, look at it go! with that cool thing moving back and forth, it must be great!" "oh they're closed bolt too? so they're amazingly accurate! wow!" i then looked down at my spyder compact, then up again at the cocker....i felt cheated. sort of intimidating at first.

after an impression like that, especially as a newb, it made me really want a cocker as my next gun for awhile, so i can be like that guy who i thought was the shiznit. then i shot my friends mag, i loved it and never looked back. since then, i have played some games with my buddies cocker and it really wasn't anything special. wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't for me.

basically, i think that back block/"closed bolt accuracy" hypnotizes people to buy cockers. if you take away the back block factor, and that closed bolt hype, i think they would've been much less successful.

but i'm sure theres all kinds of other factors involved as well.

[11 Bravo]

Wrong thread sorry.

[LudavicoSoldier]

On the serious side of things...

I prefer the autococker because I'm a gear head. I LOVE moving parts: the more complex the better! I think people with mechanical fascination tend to gravitate towards cockers for this reason. Newbs gravitate towards them because they see tourny players still shooting cockers.

Heck, my E2 Ripper cocker has amazed quite a few people who thought that cockers didnt agree with them. And its so purrrrdy, all black and stuff.

http://idisk.mac.com/dgreening/Public/ripper1.jpg

[dahoeb]

that really is a nice cocker ludivicosoldier,

*dahoeb thinks to himself; i might have to get his address and steal it... *

[Lohman446]

Maybe the cocker was a better gun?

[WARPED1]

Maybe the cocker was a better gun?

It is......better than a Talon!

[ultralight]

of course it's better than a mag.

it's smaller, shoots farther, requires less maintenace and tuning, is a simpler design, and let's not forget that closed bolt accuracy.

all that and you get the joy of being smacked in the mouth while playing really tight. (applies to first time users)

[EDIT] and nobody has anything better to do after a game than spend an hour cleaning paint out of pneumatics