Is the Emag Tourney legal?

[p8ntball72]

Boy Tom you must have stepped on quite a few promoters toes over the years, for them to write you right out of the rule book... not the first time thou.

Odd thing is a stock AGD emag on Hybrd mode puts less balls down range than the flavor of the week shred o' matic. {in stock out of the box form}

ya ya ya 26 bps bounce whatever...
fact is your average 12 year old rips on an EGO out of the box.. shooting the emag fast is an acquired skill.

with all the E-options available now.. any ref that pulled a E-mag would be a "chicken-poo" call.

[hitech]

I've never seen it written in any tournament rule that you must follow the manafactures chrono procedure (does anyone else actually have a chrono procedure?). Unless I'm missing something, the eMag does not need to follow that procedure to be within the rules.

[RavishingEddie]

I have also managed to walk several by in that same condition . Your point is well taken, and accurate, if you got a ref who really knew what he was doing he could decline to let your marker on field for A) Not being able to chrono according to manufacturer instructions or B) being able to switch modes on field without tools. I doubt you would run across a ref that was both that informed, that technical, and that "mean" about enforcing rules to the letter.

Yeah I think they might let me slide since they might make the mistake of thinking I'm at a disadvantage against the current high end guns. I do agree with simply removing the rod, but would that prevent me from going on Hybrid? I think it would because I won't a have rod to push on mechanical mode. My second question is how do they know about the manufacturers chrono procedure for the Emag? That is like asking for the birthdate of the guy that invented the turbine. Well not that much for me, but maybe for the rest of the guys that hardly see emags. Are there any other reasons why just using Emode to chrono not work?

[Pntball1866]

68MagOwner what event did you see this E-Mag go crazy? Im wondering if we had seen the same guy? I saw this happen at a CFOA event in Rockhill, SC this year.

[68magOwner]

68MagOwner what event did you see this E-Mag go crazy? Im wondering if we had seen the same guy? I saw this happen at a CFOA event in Rockhill, SC this year.

yeah, it was one of the ones at PBC south, i think the first 5 man?

[RRfireblade]

I've never seen it written in any tournament rule that you must follow the manafactures chrono procedure (does anyone else actually have a chrono procedure?). Unless I'm missing something, the eMag does not need to follow that procedure to be within the rules.

May or may not still be "on the books" but it was something that was known to be looked for as soon as it was found out that RTs ramp velocity. There was a time (and some around who still do) that many people were of the opinion that it was done intentionally by AGD as a hidden cheat mode back in the day when extended range WAS an advantage. It was one of the markers that was specfied to be chrono'd under proper procedure to prevent that possible advantage as well as an unsafe condition on field.

On a side note , it's pretty interesting to me that so many die hard AO'ers ( up AGDs butt too by the way ) praise Mags for saftey this and ASTM that and so forth yet they (AGD) produce and have for over a decade , markers that Ramp velocity , come factory set bounce like no other electro is capable of and if your tank reg takes a dump on you during a game(spike output pressure) will go into a full auto like ROF the likes of which no other marker has ever seen and you'll never know it till you inadvertainly touch the trigger for the first time. Rated for 3000psi huh...well I'll take a blown noid anyday over 34bps into some poor kids brain case'.

Oh , and to this day they (and with that knowledge) they still have yet to do a single darn thing about it.

Sorry , didn't mean to rant.

Anyway....the chrono thing is one of those things that when a certain marker is prevalent in competition and is then found out to have what is considered to be a cheat , Refs are typically instructed (at the ref meeting prior to an event) to look out for. Since Mags are about as common as Pumps at most fields/events it is really no longer an issue as evidenced by the experiences of most of us who've still use them to this day.

Just know that if you (incorrectly) chrono your RT at or near the limit you most likely are shooting an iILLEGAL marker at some point while you are on the field....for what that's worth to you and your conscience.

[REDRT]

Just know that if you (incorrectly) chrono your RT at or near the limit you most likely are shooting an iILLEGAL marker at some point while you are on the field....for what that's worth to you and your conscience.

Even if you correctly chrono per AGD's spec it still isn't going to be a 100%. All it takes is a tight ball to throw it all off. I never found any significant difference in the correct procedure to just chronoing it in E mode.

Knowing that the mag might be hot during the game due to it's design doesn't bother me. I chrono off and it is right on. Does it give us an Edge? If it does it isn't very much. Surely not enough to matter. One could argue that points like size and weight gives some markers a edge. How's about air usage? That could be an Edge. Where does it end?

[p8ntball72]

On a side note , it's pretty interesting to me that so many die hard AO'ers ( up AGDs butt too by the way ) praise Mags for saftey this and ASTM that and so forth yet they (AGD) produce and have for over a decade , markers that Ramp velocity , come factory set bounce like no other electro is capable of and if your tank reg takes a dump on you during a game(spike output pressure) will go into a full auto like ROF the likes of which no other marker has ever seen and you'll never know it till you inadvertainly touch the trigger for the first time. Rated for 3000psi huh...well I'll take a blown noid anyday over 34bps into some poor kids brain case'.

Oh , and to this day they (and with that knowledge) they still have yet to do a single darn thing about it.

LMAO

[Beemer]

Oh Boy

[hitech]

Even if you correctly chrono per AGD's spec it still isn't going to be a 100%. All it takes is a tight ball to throw it all off. I never found any significant difference in the correct procedure to just chronoing it in E mode.

That would be my experience also. Mixing paint of various sizes causes bigger differences in velocity that just about anyting else these days...

[RRfireblade]

Even if you correctly chrono per AGD's spec it still isn't going to be a 100%. All it takes is a tight ball to throw it all off.

That's true of any marker , the RT Ramp effect is in addition to that issue and is most definately a measureable difference.

I never found any significant difference in the correct procedure to just chronoing it in E mode.

Knowing that the mag might be hot during the game due to it's design doesn't bother me. .......... Where does it end?

Well I can't argue with a lack of interest in playing with a legal marker , can I. Hot Marker , illegal ROF , Wiping hits.....Where does it end? Only 'you' can answer that.

I'll just have to continue to play according to my values. Everyone else has to make that choice for themselves.

[Lohman446]

Knowing that the mag might be hot during the game due to it's design doesn't bother me. I chrono off and it is right on. Does it give us an Edge? If it does it isn't very much. Surely not enough to matter. One could argue that points like size and weight gives some markers a edge. How's about air usage? That could be an Edge. Where does it end?

I don't see anyone in the industry openly calling for legal velocity changes inherent to the design. This is not like ramping... To many more balls in the air does not equal unsafe, I doubt many would say the same thing about higher velocities

[GoblinGreen]

LMAO

Man if I was worried about my bottle reg going bad on me and hitting 3000psi, wow it would shoot 34 bps in someones back, what if that bottle reg went bad on my ego or a dm, The reg would probably blow my hand off

How often does a bottle reg balls out and make the output pressure jump to 3000psi in a game, uhh never. In my opinion thats not a very valid point that one.

Think everyone needs to look at those AGD graphs of the RT valve in rapid fire, yes it spikes up maybe 10-15 fps but it hits a level during rapid fire and thats it. You set your first shot to 275fps in E-mode, the most it can spike to if you want to check you must follow the proper chrono procedure.

[phantomhitman]

Man if I was worried about my bottle reg going bad on me and hitting 3000psi, wow it would shoot 34 bps in someones back, what if that bottle reg went bad on my ego or a dm, The reg would probably blow my hand off

riigghhhttttttt, think of buying a new solenoid or if you lucky a few new orings. which is much better than shooting a teammate in the back of the head 20 times. I love agd products, some of the best stuff out there, but there is so much hypocricy in these forums and slander against other companies/genres of paintball that its sad.

It also doesnt "take more skill" to shoot an emag faster, if you have fast finger you have fast fingers. you can turn debounce down and modes on/off on new elctro guns just as easy as inducing bounce/adding shims/causing runaway on a mag. Funny thing is that is seems cool to see a mag shooting fast but other guns are garbage when doing it

[GoblinGreen]

Uhh I was saying that sarcasticly, how often does a preset 850psi bottle reg hit 3000psi output during a game. Never.

Emag reg is the only one that can take 3000psi without going bang. Just about all other markers were not designed with this intension so Im not slamming any marker. Im just stating that this is a useless argument.

Bounce on the emag in hybrid - yes valid argument and Rapid fire/bounce via input pressure yes valid argument. But that bottle theory is a load.

All markers have there place in the game and if you go onto a marker specific forum what do you expect. Oh except brass eagle markers they just suck