Is the Emag Tourney legal?

[RRfireblade]

How do you chrono it then?

Oh , missed that. My software has a Chrono mode that replicates the RT chrono procedure.

[Beemer]

Never mind

This sums it up

Keep in miind your talking to someone who has (and I'm not 100% sure of the number) somewhere around 50-ish Mags. You don;t have to convince me of thier worthyness.

Peace Out

[REDRT]

The dust has just settled from cleaning off the original 1996 RT manual. Page 4 under performance reads.

The average person can fire 4-5 shots per second but, when charged with adrenaline, this can climb to 6 per second.

6 per second!! I guess there is a crazy velocity spike with that rate of fire.

[Lohman446]

You can't honestly be arguing that the RT velocity climb doesn't exist can you?

[REDRT]

You can't honestly be arguing that the RT velocity climb doesn't exist can you?

More or less being sarcastic. The arguement of the velocity climb is made out to be more than it is. From the original Classic RT manual and AGDs quoted rate of fire it only makes sence that beemers post of the quoted climb is on the level. And I posted the 1996 info to kill another bird. Peoples exaggerated est rate of fire.

[Lohman446]

More or less being sarcastic. The arguement of the velocity climb is made out to be more than it is. From the original Classic RT manual and AGDs quoted rate of fire it only makes sence that beemers post of the quoted climb is on the level. And I posted the 1996 info to kill another bird. Peoples exaggerated est rate of fire.

So the argument is that at 6BPS there is no velocity climb in the RT mag?

[REDRT]

So the argument is that at 6BPS there is no velocity climb in the RT mag?

For an intelligent guy sometimes you can be a dope. The arguement was and has been the RT velocity climb is very minimal and not the exaggeration it has been made out to be.

[Lohman446]

For an intelligent guy sometimes you can be a dope. The arguement was and has been the RT velocity climb is very minimal and not the exaggeration it has been made out to be.

See, I think that's where we differ. I have witnessed RT climb in the 15FPS range - which I don't consider that minimal. Now it can be overcome by simply setting low, and if the argument is that 15FPS is minimal, thats a different story. I never said it was a major issue, I simply stated it existed.

[REDRT]

See, I think that's where we differ. I have witnessed RT climb in the 15FPS range - which I don't consider that minimal. Now it can be overcome by simply setting low, and if the argument is that 15FPS is minimal, thats a different story. I never said it was a major issue, I simply stated it existed.

So have I, but I'm not going to put stock into that number being accurate with a basic used and abused chrono. Beemer posted up back a few posts ago

through a computer chrono

Of coarse this was a while back. Now with Xmod and predator boards we can empty the hopper and not miss a beat 2x as fast. Maybe the climb is higher now? It would be interesting to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what it will do. I'd have to think most mag owner are aware of the phenomenon and adjust accordingly. But then again doesn't everyone adjust accordingly to avoid hot gun penalties? Does that dm6 shooter set his velocity at max 300fps? I think not. 290ish is where he is going to be if not in the mid to upper 280s. So really that is how I figure it isn't a major issue. Not that you ever said it was a major issue. Just that some poeple make it out to be.

[RRfireblade]

Read the RT chrono section in the AGD tech pages. The amount of shoot up varies greatly depending on the set input pressure and the various ROF. With the way the RT is capable of being bounced (easily up around 18-20) and the pressure variance to get it there , the FPS shoot up variance can very easily expected to be great from instance to instance.

One persons finding means nothing unless his pressure setting , marker set up and ROF match precisely some one elses.

I purposely NEVER stated how much or little the shoot up existed only the it does exist WITH OUT question as stated by the manufacturer of the marker. How you wish to deal with that shoot up varies equally as much , however the manufacturer supplies the recomended method and 'the' one (back when it was a Tourny issue) that was universally accepted and expected to be preformed for reliable compliance with chrono regulations.

Other than than that your arguing nothing more than semantics , assumption and speculation. That's precisely why I never went there in this discussion.

And for added effect....



The only other legallity issue (that I'll say for the last time) is that the end user must modify the marker from stock , out of the box , factory assembled condition to make it legal for tourny use. (Hybrid)

Now it's time for

Nigh Nights......

[REDRT]

I've been playing with a Classic RT since it came out. At the time the emag came out I couldn't find any reason to buy it, because I felt the RT was all I needed and really it still is. After the xmag had come and was on it's way out I purchaced my 1st emag. The emag is without a doubt in my mind one of AGDs best markers. It can do/be so many things. Maybe in the day RTs/Emags had opposition at tournaments because of phenomenons inherent to design, but today how often does one run into that? ALot of times I feel like I get treated as a charity case using an Emag. Boy do they get an eye opener!
RavishingEddie originally posted the question, "is the Emag tourney legal"? I say, "sure is". Even if Someone somewhere really got a burr up their arse about it, it can pass. I'm almost sure without a doubt that RavishingEddie isn't a playing in some big league that might give him a hard time and by using the Emag it might cause some undue hassle. NO I believe he is like the most of us just playing small time tournaments. In that venue with the right mods an Emag can be a dominate force to be reckoned with with out a hitch from the refin' staff.

[21jumpstreet]

E-mag in action pics< CTS Tourney

I've been playing with a Classic RT since it came out. At the time the emag came out I couldn't find any reason to buy it, because I felt the RT was all I needed and really it still is. After the xmag had come and was on it's way out I purchaced my 1st emag. The emag is without a doubt in my mind one of AGDs best markers. It can do/be so many things. Maybe in the day RTs/Emags had opposition at tournaments because of phenomenons inherent to design, but today how often does one run into that? ALot of times I feel like I get treated as a charity case using an Emag. Boy do they get an eye opener!
RavishingEddie originally posted the question, "is the Emag tourney legal"? I say, "sure is". Even if Someone somewhere really got a burr up their arse about it, it can pass. I'm almost sure without a doubt that RavishingEddie isn't a playing in some big league that might give him a hard time and by using the Emag it might cause some undue hassle. NO I believe he is like the most of us just playing small time tournaments. In that venue with the right mods an Emag can be a dominate force to be reckoned with with out a hitch from the refin' staff.

If somebody would host them I have some great pics of my son shooting his Karta Emag in our last tourney.shoot me an email at [email protected] Thanks

[RRfireblade]

If somebody would host them I have some great pics of my son shooting his Karta Emag in our last tourney.shoot me an email at [email protected] Thanks

Imageshack.com , free hosting.

RavishingEddie originally posted the question, "is the Emag tourney legal"? I say, "sure is". Even if Someone somewhere really got a burr up their arse about it, it can pass.

What actually happend is someone got a burr up their arse cause they don't like the truth. The question was not " Can I get an Emag past the Refs ? " Sure you can get it past , I could get a dozen illegal markers past the Refs at any average local tourny. I'll argue that since Ramping became acceptable 50% - 75% of every marker on the feild is illegally set up in some way. If he had asked how to make an Emag legal for Toury use, that again would be completely different question.

REDRT : After this response I'm not going to continue this discussion with you until can you can comprehend the difference between complying with a rule and getting around one. No one has made anything a 'big deal' or made anything out to be 'bigger than it is'. Everything stated has been simple fact fro what it is. Beyond that there really isn't much more to debate.

I guess it's my fault that I would expect a manufacturer like AGD to make a marker that is tourny level legal out of the box with out having to remove essential parts that illiminate included and unique features of the marker or have to modify it some other way to comply.

While I'm thinking about it , I don't believe 3.2 even has a tourny lock on the electronics. I know they no longer come with a jumper. You have on field access , without tools to the buffer/DB and ROF settings....that there alone makes it illegal for Tourny use unless I'm mistaken.

Anyone know if you can lock the software?

[Aggravated Assault]

just because I'm bored and have skimmed over this thread....

I don't remember seeing anything in the psp general rules about "manufacturer crono procedures" I did see where no marker shall be shooting over 300fps during a game. Maybe I missed something. Is there a specific section on chrono procedure addresses the mag issue? I didn't see where it says any thing about not being able to modify a marker unless its to "disguise" it. I take that to mean you're intentionally attempting to modify something to "look" legal and perform in an illegal way.

Ain't trying to say there isn't shoot up, etc, I'm just thinking out loud. Does that mean you can chrono it however you want (ie. no trigger rod) and as long as you no shoot over 300 before, after, or during a game, you're cool?

I don't know - anyone know for sure?

[Lohman446]

RavishingEddie originally posted the question, "is the Emag tourney legal"? I say, "sure is". Even if Someone somewhere really got a burr up their arse about it, it can pass. I'm almost sure without a doubt that RavishingEddie isn't a playing in some big league that might give him a hard time and by using the Emag it might cause some undue hassle. NO I believe he is like the most of us just playing small time tournaments. In that venue with the right mods an Emag can be a dominate force to be reckoned with with out a hitch from the refin' staff.

The funny part is I think some of us answered exactly the opposite with the same conclusion. Is the E-mag tourney legal? Under severe technicality probably not in stock form (not that technical if hybrid mode is available) with stock software. However, the major issue is overcome by removing the trigger rod. This puts you into a real technical issue of not being able to chrono exactly right. However, the chances of any ref knowing AND caring about this are slim to none. Don't get too concerned, go out and play, and have fun with it.