Is the Emag Tourney legal?

[Lohman446]

Uhh I was saying that sarcasticly, how often does a preset 850psi bottle reg hit 3000psi output during a game. Never.

Emag reg is the only one that can take 3000psi without going bang. Just about all other markers were not designed with this intension so Im not slamming any marker. Im just stating that this is a useless argument.

Bounce on the emag in hybrid - yes valid argument and Rapid fire/bounce via input pressure yes valid argument. But that bottle theory is a load.

If you followed the conversations on this board, and the ones he referred to its not "a load". How often do we here about how the mag valve will take 3000PSI without failure, and thats ASTM complaint. The fact of the matter is, the ASTM standard allows for internal failures and leaks as long as there not catastrophic, which I beleive most other markers would have happen... severe leaks, blown noids. There is not this "exploding pieces" all over that so many people elude to.

While it may be a moot point, after all as you indicate it does not happen often, the point is the hypocrisy found so often from some on AO

[hipster]

like others I have taken the switch and fire rod out of my E-mag , and flashed to x-mod the mag has never had a out burst of uncontroled bounce since and Ive used it with out question in many tourny's
I mostly got a chuckle and a back handed you really gonna use a mag satement until they saw how well it shot then every one wanted to try it out

[RRfireblade]

Uhh I was saying that sarcasticly, how often does a preset 850psi bottle reg hit 3000psi output during a game. Never.

Emag reg is the only one that can take 3000psi without going bang. Just about all other markers were not designed with this intension so Im not slamming any marker. Im just stating that this is a useless argument.

Bounce on the emag in hybrid - yes valid argument and Rapid fire/bounce via input pressure yes valid argument. But that bottle theory is a load.

All markers have there place in the game and if you go onto a marker specific forum what do you expect. Oh except brass eagle markers they just suck

3000 ? Every so often. I've had to warranty a few in the last year. How about 1000psi? That's all it takes to get extreme unexpected bounce out of an RT....happens WAY more than most people realize since most guns have gun Regs after the Tank.

[REDRT]

I'll just have to continue to play according to my values. Everyone else has to make that choice for themselves.

Making issues over nothing isn't values.

[Lohman446]

Making issues over nothing isn't values.

Knowingly shooting above the posted speed limit isn't nothing either.

I shot a mag for a long time, I generally just chrono 15FPS under the limit and no issues

[REDRT]

I shot a mag for a long time, I generally just chrono 15FPS under the limit and no issues

How do you really know? Then again back in the days of everyone running C02 where was the velocity then half the time? Remember if the paint blows bark off the tree you might be hot.
Local tournament wise we chrono at no more than 300fps outdoor and 280fps when ramping is allowed outdoor. We have to chrono off every game. Alot of times we chrono on every game to make sure we are good to go. Rec ballers chrono alot of times once in the morning and once in the afternoon. There velocity can be all over the place most of the day. Does anyone get worried about them? You put "mag" and "tournament" in the same sentence and everybody gets

[Lohman446]

You put "mag" and "tournament" in the same sentence and everybody gets

BS... I just like to be aware of issues and not pretend they dont exist

[REDRT]

Originally Posted by REDRT
You put "mag" and "tournament" in the same sentence and everybody gets

BS... I just like to be aware of issues and not pretend they dont exist

It isn't BS. If a person scrutinizes something long enough one can almost always find some fault. Why is it that here on AO the mag is getting fried by the kid and his magnifying glass in the sun like an ant? I'm aware is to what it does and I myself take action to limit this. But as I asked before where does it end? Seems to me some idealists are looking for perfection that doesn't exist in an imperfect world. I say, "deal with it".

[Lohman446]

It isn't BS. If a person scrutinizes something long enough one can almost always find some fault. Why is it that here on AO the mag is getting fried by the kid and his magnifying glass in the sun like an ant? I'm aware is to what it does and I myself take action to limit this. But as I asked before where does it end? Seems to me some idealists are looking for perfection that doesn't exist in an imperfect world. I say, "deal with it".

It was evident enough that the major tournament series at one point were forced to address it. Yes, it can be dealt with, as most of us who have noted it have noted we have dealt with it

[Beemer]

ya ok

Sorry , didn't mean to rant.

Yes you did. Damn who pissed in your Pool?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=189746

The RT "shoot-up" or pressure spike is well documented and the reason behind the infamous "RT chrono procedure" - although I never thought that it (shoot-up), or saw in testing, caused much of any problem or significant increase in velocity. I think Tom was erring on the side of caution regarding the whole matter - although it does in fact exist. The problem was that his truthfulness

I get the feeling that most compressed air running guns have some amount of shoot up. Sad for the mag though, AGD is to honest sometimes.

will go into a full auto like ROF the likes of which no other marker has ever seen and you'll never know

What a croc. It will start to vent if the pressure is to high. See Z-man vid with over 2000psi.

That's true of any marker , the RT Ramp effect is in addition to that issue and is most definately a measureable difference.

Well if you measured it, post how you did it and the results

[mag_lover05]

dude, reffs make crazy calls, i mean at PSP, he didnt call a player out becuase he said you couldnt throw a pod at somebody to get them out....


totally bogus, but my point goes to say, some reffs couldnt care less, others will go over board with the rules, and probably try to punish you.

[Lohman446]

dude, reffs make crazy calls, i mean at PSP, he didnt call a player out becuase he said you couldnt throw a pod at somebody to get them out....
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You what now?

[Jotsy]

dude, reffs make crazy calls, i mean at PSP, he didnt call a player out becuase he said you couldnt throw a pod at somebody to get them out....

what??

i've always wondered why nobody just made a tourney-lock mode selector with a little grub screw in it. that way, just chrono it according to AGD spec, then flip it to Emode and lock it in place.

its such a cheap simple little mod (in theory).....

[RRfireblade]

Yes you did. Damn who pissed in your Pool?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=189746

What a croc. It will start to vent if the pressure is to high. See Z-man vid with over 2000psi.



Well if you measured it, post how you did it and the results

So your saying an RT Mag won't increase it's trigger bounce at 900psi or 1000psi?

Most presets are 800-850. You think a 100 psi spike on a preset Reg is that difficult to see? Hmm....

And are you saying at has zero fps spike during ROF ?

And what's arguement for on field hybrid mode being legal ?

You know , it's so funny to me how many of you are so hypocritical. A question of simple fact was asked and answered. First people want to argue that the answers are wrong and when that doesn't work it changes to " Well your just being to picky , it's only a little bit illegal. What are you making such a big deal? "

You'all need to put headlights in your tailside.....you guys back up so much.

[Lohman446]

You know , it's so funny to me how many of you are so hypocritical. A question of simple fact was asked and answered. First people want to argue that the answers are wrong and when that doesn't work it changes to " Well your just being to picky , it's only a little bit illegal. What are you making such a big deal? "

Jim Drew anyone?

I agree, I was not dissing the mag when I discussed the issues, I was simply stating they do exist.