07 AGD emag...kinda

[Lenny]

It shares some concepts with the mag bolt operation... but it's far from an emag.

I would defineltly call it a refined King Cobra. Think about it. Take a design with potential. To make it smaller put the volume chamber and solenoid in the frame. replace the front grip/reg with the battery and a small board, and the only place left for the reg is in the bottom ASA. Since the ASA/reg is now next to the pneumatics... voila, no hoses.

Totally groundbreaking? - Not really- Other than the electronic foregrip it's a reconfigured modern King cobra. Now, add the fact that it can be hyped to end on PBN because one of it's makers is a moderator there, PBN is like an AGG moneytree, most kids over there don't remember the king cobra, and it's glorious pricetag... one can only guess at it's great chances of success!

Think of the old skool shocker versus the 2k3 shocker. Ya... it's kinda like that.

I'm not bashing the Mini in any way.
Is it nice solid marker that even Manike would be proud to endorse? -- YES!
Does it have a good pricetag per performance? -- HECK YES!
It is groundbreaking? --- Ehhh, almost. Moreso than most, but not quite.

I totally forgot about the Cobra...

That's kind of what I'm talking about. Everyone says it's soooo different from anything ever put out on the market, but really, it's not. It really probably is a great gun, just not as "important" (dare I say) as everyone makes it out to be.

Plus with the current marker fasions, it'll be considered "old" in a year or two...

And you can't really compare the shoeboxes to the '03 Shockers. They hold nothing similar to each other except the name. Whereas the Mini and EMag are pretty similar.

[Pneumagger]

whoops... I didn't mean shocker. brainfart - lol

I meant the gen-e matrixes versus DM4/5/6

[Piranti]

Well of course opinions are like ***holes everyone has one and they all stink. That being said, any marker will follow general principles of operation for its type of valving and bolt system, with their interworkings.

However, there are really some revolutionary things about the Mini.

1. That balanced poppit valve design.
2. No hoses.
3. 2 wires only ? all of them removable...... and unable (or much less likely) to be pinched when assembling the marker...


Similarities to mags, yes there are some, but again it is nowhere close to how a mag works in totality. To make that comparison is like saying an apple is like an orange because its a fruit has skin and seeds and grows on trees.


Will there be problems for the less than mechanically inclined or mentally challenged with this marker? Quite possibly. Couple of key peices I see will be a problem for them will be the Spring orientation, that o-ring on the expansion chamber in the grip and that white restrictor plate. But again as with any marker most of the problems are user error anyways ( can anyone say Ion.....or those people who take Angel LPR's apart and not reassembling them properly.) Even the classic mags had people who could not figure out how to reassemble them or troubleshoot them .

Do hafta say though that Manike has probably done more for this marker in being available, patient and forthcoming with answers and general information about this marker, than any other company representative for another marker or company. For which I applaud him and his efforts. (now wheres my free marker dang nabbit )

[spike_ball999]

I guess I would call the mini a "medely of systems integration" moreso than "groundbreakingly inovative"

Ha! I knew it. MINI stands for something...

Medely of Ingredients and Network for Integration

[Pneumagger]

However, there are really some revolutionary things about the Mini.

1. That balanced poppit valve design
2. No hoses.
3. 2 wires only ? all of them removable...... and unable (or much less likely) to be pinched when assembling the marker...

Spyders have balanced poppets now as do timmies.
Timmann SL-68 and Epic markers have no hoses.
IIRC the ET Nova had either 2 or 4 wires. Either way... how is fewer wires "inovative". It's common sense not to add extra wires if not needed.

[Pneumagger]

Ha! I knew it. MINI stands for something...

Medely of Ingredients and Network for Integration

Made Ingeniously Not Inovative

/or it could be called mini cause it's small - just a hunch

[manike]

I would defineltly call it a refined King Cobra.

Err... because that's what it is!

I've been saying all along that we took a fantastic concept that wasn't implemented very well or successful in it's previous form and re-developed it into a modern product with lots of features.

[Lenny]

^^But you can't call it "revolutionary" if the ideas and concepts have already been implemented. That's all I'm saying.

[Pneumagger]

Err... because that's what it is!

I've been saying all along that we took a fantastic concept that wasn't implemented very well or successful in it's previous form and re-developed it into a modern product with lots of features.

I'm not knocking you manike, I love that little thing. It looks great. I sat online for an hour the first night of preorders almost clicking Buy and re-convincing myself I don't need it.

/just can't stand everyone that makes huge fusses about it being 100% original and ingenious.
//drags lenny off Manike's lawn to go get ice cream.

[geekwarrior]

^^But you can't call it "revolutionary" if the ideas and concepts have already been implemented. That's all I'm saying.

ok, you said it. now stop pissing on everyones parade

[Lenny]

//drags lenny off Manike's lawn to go get ice cream.

Mmmm... Ice cream....

[manike]

/just can't stand everyone that makes huge fusses about it being 100% original and ingenious.

Have never said that, and nor would I. I do believe there are some genuinely revolutionary items in the gun though. That is what I have said, and still believe. Some may have come from the King Cobra, but that is what this gun is based off. That gun was never main stream, and in this gun those revolutionary concepts will become mainstream. There are also several aspects of this gun that were never implemented in the King Cobra.

If you dis-agree that's fine, but the patents, and implementation speak for themselves.

I think as people get their own guns see they will see more of what I mean.

Until then some more video's showing the full assembly of a gun.

Complete Assembly1
Complete Assembly2

[manike]

^^But you can't call it "revolutionary" if the ideas and concepts have already been implemented. That's all I'm saying.

What about the features that are completely new and innovative? That have received patents on their own? I think people will freak out when they take the solenoid apart and see how it works. Well if they understand it they will. :) Or if they are idiots they will look at it and just think it's a tubular push pull solenoid.

What about the way some features have been implemented that have never been seen before?

1 a : of, relating to, or constituting a revolution b : tending to or promoting revolution c : constituting or bringing about a major or fundamental change

If you don't think this gun is about to start a revolution... pony up something to bet and then let's see what the deal is in a year. I have a $100 here I'm happy to put on the mini living up to the dictionary definition above.

There are major changes coming in paintball based upon this gun... just wait and see.

[geekwarrior]

There are major changes coming in paintball based upon this gun... just wait and see.

Ahhh! I can't take the waiting anymore! I shot this at NPPL OC and have been drooling over it since. (any secret ultra AO info on if they are going to make the deadline this weekend?)

Do you mean just in technology, or are there some other changes in the future?

[geekwarrior]

taken from pbnation

Yes. Gun's started shipping out today. :tup: