Originally posted by Chronobreak
Sold my mag for one of these also.
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Sold my mag for one of these also.
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Its a very nice marker. I like it alot, but judging from these posts, it seems alot of you guys are gonna defect over from the Mag world, believing that this quite possibly is the new E-Mag. It wouldn't surprise me if most of you start introducing this gun to people as "My new E-Mag". Is this the gun that's finally gonna knock the Auto/Mini/E/X-Mag off the map for good? Please tell me I'm wrong.Comment
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This marker looks interesting. By the description of how it works, i think this is the original design that Simon used, redesigned, and made work properly.
Am I even close?sigpicComment
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I want one. You can get them for $220 + $60 shipping from the Taiwanese company. I am seriously thinking about it.Originally posted by azathoth300This marker looks interesting. By the description of how it works, i think this is the original design that Simon used, redesigned, and made work properly.
Am I even close?Comment
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I had never herd of them before. Just kind of stumbled across it. Any links on the manufacturer?sigpicComment
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the gun looks kinda cool, i'm not sure i like the front grip, however i'm diggin the NEW design. i like the poppet valve (used in most piston engines) incorporation. and the battery/board in the foregrip....connected by only a few well placed wires, thats another cool feature.
anyways, my friend just ordered one, hopefully he gets one from the first batch. when he gets it. i'll let everyone know how it shoots. but from the video, it looks like it rips pretty nicely.
what more can you ask for?
decent lookin
beam break eyes
high bps capability
simple noob-friendly design
$400
not bad if you ask meComment
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stupid videos.... now I want one again... I convinced myself I didnt need one... now I have to do that all over again!
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Originally posted by StygShore
they shouldn't have released those yet, not until the marker has shipped...now I'm even more impatient to get mine. maybe they HAVE shipped 
finished watching the disassembly vid. awsome, just awsome!
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It's an EMag... An electropneumatic EMag with a Level 10 rip off. That's it. I'm really not too impressed. The whole "no hosing" thing has been done before (SL68-II, Epic), the bottomline regulator has been done before (Angel AIR, THOR, and a few others), and the firing mechanism is an enhanced Level 10 EMag. The only thing new about it (as far as I know) are the interchangable boards/packs. That's it!
I'm really not impressed, and I really find it hard for anyone to be.Autocockers are the greatest markers ever made.
~The greatest BACKUP markers to AUTOMAGS!!
Only temporary, get'n a new sig soon.Comment
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You have to be kidding, or didn't watch the videos. It doesn't work like an E-mag, it doesn't work like a level 10, and the parts aren't even similar. It doesn't work like an AIR valve either. It doesn't have a sear, it doesn't have a solenoid pulling on a sear. It doesn't have a volume chamber regulated then dumped.Originally posted by Lenny
I'm guessing you didn't watch the videos, and you aren't familiar with how either gun works.
I would have thought these video's would have proved how different it is.
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What? Apparently you don't know very much. Of course its not revolutionary, show me any marker in the past three years that has been. That being said, as Manike stated it is far more similiar to other methods of operation than the E-mag.Originally posted by Lenny"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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put the koolaid down and explain why its the same.Originally posted by LennyComment
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Originally posted by manikeYou have to be kidding, or didn't watch the videos. It doesn't work like an E-mag, it doesn't work like a level 10, and the parts aren't even similar. It doesn't work like an AIR valve either. It doesn't have a sear, it doesn't have a solenoid pulling on a sear. It doesn't have a volume chamber regulated then dumped.
I'm guessing you didn't watch the videos, and you aren't familiar with how either gun works.
I would have thought these video's would have proved how different it is.I watched the videos. They're what made me come to this conclusion.Originally posted by Lohman446
The 2 speed bolt thing, the removal of the rear grip frame screw to get the valve and bolt assembly out, the spring deal on the bolt, battery in the front grip, integrated regulator (except the Mini's isn't attached to the valve), etc.
I never said it wasn't a cool little gun. It definately has some very nice features, but I don't find it as revolutionary as everyone says. Even the no hose thing was done before. That's not "new and revolutionary." And if I recall correctly, the PigTV interview with you, you said that bottomline regulation assemblies have failed before in the past, but you guys somehow made it work. I used to have an Angel AIR reg and that thing rocked! THORs left something to be desired, but they were definately not failures. Just passing trends.
And as for the sear thing, I know it doesn't have one. Thus I said "electropneumatic EMag" as in air operates the valve/bolt mechanism.
I really don't find it too impressive, or at least as much as everyone claims it to be. I wouldn't call it "revolutionary"... maybe more like a gun with a lot of good ideas slammed into one. But not revolutionary.
And you have to admit, it is very much like an EMag.Autocockers are the greatest markers ever made.
~The greatest BACKUP markers to AUTOMAGS!!
Only temporary, get'n a new sig soon.Comment
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It shares some concepts with the mag bolt operation... but it's far from an emag.
I would defineltly call it a refined King Cobra. Think about it. Take a design with potential. To make it smaller put the volume chamber and solenoid in the frame. replace the front grip/reg with the battery and a small board, and the only place left for the reg is in the bottom ASA. Since the ASA/reg is now next to the pneumatics... voila, no hoses.
Totally groundbreaking? - Not really- Other than the electronic foregrip it's a reconfigured modern King cobra. Now, add the fact that it can be hyped to end on PBN because one of it's makers is a moderator there, PBN is like an AGG moneytree, most kids over there don't remember the king cobra, and it's glorious pricetag... one can only guess at it's great chances of success!
Think of the old skool shocker versus the 2k3 shocker. Ya... it's kinda like that.
I'm not bashing the Mini in any way.
Is it nice solid marker that even Manike would be proud to endorse? -- YES!
Does it have a good pricetag per performance? -- HECK YES!
It is groundbreaking? --- Ehhh, almost. Moreso than most, but not quite.
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thinking more about it's "inovation"...
The bolt system is strikingly similar to the king cobra's.
The battery is in the front grip like the emag.
It has a manifold solenoid like many guns.
All internal airlines are nothing new, just uncommon.
Monotube design like shocker/mag/epic/etc
Bottom screw in ASA regulator similar to a thor regulator.
Bolt assembly out back - like a mag or other b.o.b. guns
Really straining to think... this guns only "new" inovation is the board in the grip idea.
I guess I would call the mini a "medely of systems integration" moreso than "groundbreakingly inovative"Last edited by Pneumagger; 12-12-2006, 02:34 PM.Comment
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