07 AGD emag...kinda

[Lohman446]

The possibility that one could have a stack of front grips (and the boards and software), put them on the marker of the players on the way to the field, chrono, and know there are not software cheats in them comes to mind as a major change.

[manike]

The possibility that one could have a stack of front grips (and the boards and software), put them on the marker of the players on the way to the field, chrono, and know there are not software cheats in them comes to mind as a major change.

Yep, that's come up elsewhere.

You could genuinely have a bunch of foregrips at the field that you place onto each gun as the guy steps up to play.

There are issues and concerns with that, but it may be a step in the right direction.

How long until "mini only" one design of gun tournaments start up...

[Piranti]

The specific marker brand/make type tourney is a good idea for players, to even out the playing field, like stock car racing where inspections of equipment before they can be used, I beleive would be a good thing. Well at least for players as it would be more based on skill than equipment. however the manufacturers would at first have a hard time of it. How would a marker company sponsor a team ot event where thier marker is not allowed for use ? Maybe not limit to marker itself but have more restrictive rules on how a marker can operate, which format back east had it the pure mechanical, with or without constant air? no RT triggers etc..... Limits on paint use....

OSC or NSA seems to be the closest to this type of thinking than any Tourney Circuit. Though they could go even furthur with thier rules to restrict the marker itself. Though beleive both disallow autotrigger in some of thier classes which excludes the phantom ( /whine ).


in all not a bad idea but maybe bad for short term profits for the paintball industry, also might bring back some honor and dignity to the tourney scene.

[RogueFactor]

What about the features that are completely new and innovative?

Some of the features may be new, or innovative. I dont know if that makes the marker new AND innovative.

I think something like the EVolt, or the C5 constitued a "major or fundamental change" in paintball markers.

If you don't think this gun is about to start a revolution... pony up something to bet and then let's see what the deal is in a year.

Define the parameters of what you consider a 'revolution'. Im not much of a betting man, but depending on your definition, I might be up to a wager.

1 a : of, relating to, or constituting a revolution b : tending to or promoting revolution c : constituting or bringing about a major or fundamental change

I have a $100 here I'm happy to put on the mini living up to the dictionary definition above.

There are major changes coming in paintball based upon this gun... just wait and see.

I am leaning towards agreeing with Lenny. Fundamentally a paintball marker has a valve that opens and closes to propel a paintball up to a specified velocity. Are the fundamentals of this marker different? I havent seen anything to support that.

Its still a marker, that capable of shooting as fast as any other 15 bps capped marker. And as far as I can tell, within the same efficiency parameters as markers currently on the market.

[manike]

I've probably said too much already. I've booked marked this thread. I'll bring it back up in a year and let's see what you all think then.

Let's see what has happened with the Mini then, and lets see how many people take features and design points from the Mini and try to implement them in other products.

[Triangle]

Let's see what has happened with the Mini then, and lets see how many people take features and design points from the Mini and try to implement them in other products.

When you bring that up, it makes me think of Punisher.

[RogueFactor]

lets see how many people take features and design points from the Mini and try to implement them in other products.

Like what?

Single Tube? Battery in the foregrip? HES Trigger? --- All in the EMag. Smaller and lighter in the Mini, but not something original to the Mini.

Gas-thru Trigger frame--- Been done before, hasnt it?

I think the Mini, if it performs as stated, is an all-in-one package of some of the better individual features of other markers with a few new features(like the valve).

[geekwarrior]

why is it that nothing can be good around here unless it has AGD on it?

[RogueFactor]

why is it that nothing can be good around here unless it has AGD on it?

Isnt this AO?

[Lohman446]

I am leaning towards agreeing with Lenny. Fundamentally a paintball marker has a valve that opens and closes to propel a paintball up to a specified velocity. Are the fundamentals of this marker different? I havent seen anything to support that.

Its hard to call this one. Fundamentally all paintball markers fire a paintball from a barrel using compressed gas and there has never been a revolutionary one because they all fundamentally do the same thing.

It really goes to where one wants to call it. The mini does have certain features, and presumably enough backing, to cause base changes in the way we do things if it were pushed by the manufacturer.

I guess it's kind of like the "revolutionary" Ion. Nothing alone in it was revolutionary, nor even its price. And yet it did leave, and continues to leave, a deep mark on the sport.

[geekwarrior]

Isnt this AO?

yes, but other things can be good besides AO. I think alot of people resent the Mini because its were AGD should be.

[RogueFactor]

Its hard to call this one. Fundamentally all paintball markers fire a paintball from a barrel using compressed gas and there has never been a revolutionary one because they all fundamentally do the same thing.

I agree with that. A few posts back youll note that I mentioned that the EVolt and C5 were IMO by definition "a major or fundamental change" in paintball markers.

It really goes to where one wants to call it. The mini does have certain features, and presumably enough backing, to cause base changes in the way we do things if it were pushed by the manufacturer.

I guess it's kind of like the "revolutionary" Ion. Nothing alone in it was revolutionary, nor even its price. And yet it did leave, and continues to leave, a deep mark on the sport.

Agreed. So youre saying the marker itself isnt revolutionary, but in the way it effects the game it may be.

[RogueFactor]

yes, but other things can be good besides AO. I think alot of people resent the Mini because its were AGD should be.

Of course. But its expected that people on AO will think that "nothing can be good around here unless it has AGD on it?"

It would be like going to a Ford forum and expecting everyone to drool over a Chevy. Just isnt going to happen.

[geekwarrior]

Of course. But its expected that people on AO will think that "nothing can be good around here unless it has AGD on it?"

It would be like going to a Ford forum and expecting everyone to drool over a Chevy. Just isnt going to happen.

I would agree with you if everyone shot mags on here. I think 1/4 of people on here hardly even play anymore, and less than half play on a reg basis.

[RogueFactor]

I would agree with you if everyone shot mags on here. I think 1/4 of people on here hardly even play anymore, and less than half play on a reg basis.

So then the other 3/4 youd expect to think that "its only good if it has AGD on it" then right?