Ramping...

[RRfireblade]

My point exactly. so people who cant walk to save their lives, this is a handicap, not a help.
SCPoloRicker, those posts never get old, NEVER

It's a liitle more than that.

How fast can you walk ?

How fast can you walk on a dead run to a bunker?

How fast can you walk supporting your gun with one hand while reloading?

How fast can you walk off handed while wrapping a bunker?

Those all 'used' to be skills that now everyone one gets for free.

For most people that is a BIG help to say the least , and in addition a big edge taken away from those of us who have spent thier whole paintball career developing.

Pretty big swing all around.

[Lohman446]

You can acquire the skill of accuracy, aiming, and leading a target by playing dodge ball. So those skills in paintball are dependent on the skill of shooting, making them subset skills of shooting.

If youve been trained in firearms, you know that shooting fast AND accurate requires discipline and practice. It requires skill to do both simultaneously. To say otherwise is silly.

If you want to play a shooting sport, the act of shootiing the marker should be an acquired(by practice, not by pocketbook) and required skill.

I disagree. Double tapping is far different then what is done on the paintball field. And face it, volume means something. Ramping makes volume even, and allows those with the rest of the skillset to stand out better. And I will disagree with your last declartion, not in PSP (though there are other issues that need dealt with). Its too easy to state opinion as fact. Again, differentiating shooting fast from shooting well

[Lohman446]

Agreed. I am not referring to double-tapping.

Unload your clip as fast as you can, semi-auto, and watch your accuracy go to crap. THAT is whats done on a paintball field, and was my point. To shoot fast and be accurate, requires skill.


Right, it means that accuracy isnt as much a skill as youve stated.


Agreed. Which means the guy with shooting skill(speed and accuracy) is now even with the guy who has less skill. This does NOT result in standing out better for those with greater skill.

Accuracy is a skill - far more important and, in my opinion, to the point of the game. All the speed in the world without accuracy was and is to this day worthless. All the accuracy in the world without being able to shoot at all is worthless. Ramping allows me to even the playing field on volume. It then causes accuracy to be more prominent in the skill set being tested by the game. The skill of shooting (not speed) becomes the skill that can be made to stand out. Speed has been made irrelevant (mostly). So, if one takes the first step that my opinion requires, that speed should not be part of the tested skillset, ramping is a positive.

[RRfireblade]

First off , stop comparing Firearms to paintball. . . they have nothing in common.

With the right Firearm , leave me 3" of your body exposed and with one shot . . . you mine out to 1000yrds. I can and have proven that 'fact'.

Second , volume in Paintball often counters deficiencies in accuracy.

Taking away a 'skill' from one competitor and giving it to the other 'evens' the playing feild in a game that is not designed to be 'evened'.

There are no handicaps inside the divisions nor should there be.

The weaker team is not allowed to leave first , get extra players , handicap points or 'free' shots.

This isn't league bowling.

[rkjunior303]

i've played against some serious dodgeball players and they're no joke lol

i can pull over 15 with no bounce. people here can attest.

[Lohman446]

Exactly. Volume shouldnt be even to compensate for your lack of shooting skill.

And as youve stated, accuracy is related to volume. Which is why being able to shoot fast(volume of paint being shot) should be an acquired skill in paintball.

I don't agree.

Lets simplify here. Four of the skills in paintball (pre ramping)

1) Movement
2) Accuracy
3) Volume of paint shot (speed)
4) Teamwork

Now, this is opinion, and you can disagree with it all you want, but I am not the only one who holds it. I don't like speed of shooting being part of the skillset tested, ramping takes it out of the skillset. Thus it allows the rest of the skillset to be tested better.

Disagree all you want. In my opinion being able to shoot fast should not be an aquired skill in paintball.

[mobsterboy]

lohman, so by saying ramping allows you to even the field of volume, are you admitting you suck?(Oh, i mean suck at walking, my mistake )

No, paintball is a lot like firearms. Why else do you think that most of the armed forces use paintball as a training medium...because ITS LIKE PLAYING WAR. And if it was all just given like it is now, what separates the noobs from the pros? They all shoot the same amount, taht used to be something I admired from the pros, now i see them as lazy and lucky rec players that made it somehow.

Dont worry rogue, he has chosen another sport, because he couldnt take what paintball had become. Deep inside, he knows that he agrees with what you say. Its just one of those things. He knows he's wrong, but he thinks that eventually if he twists the topic and tells himself its not true, that eventually he'll just wake up and it wont be true. Keep dreaming Loh, and keep up the good work, with Yak and Derek gone, we needed a new forum moron...

I think that by giving ramping, a lot of the skills i used to practice hard to obtain are now worth nothing. Of course, I still go to local fields and play true semi. and when i spike the bps to 16, 17, 18 bps they tell me to stop ramping, and i tell them to start walking. Its always fun to come around and see their faces when the paint just pours out of my guns by MY OWN WILL, not some board

[mobsterboy]

Now, this is opinion, and you can disagree with it all you want, but I am not the only one who holds it. I don't like speed of shooting being part of the skillset tested, ramping takes it out of the skillset. Thus it allows the rest of the skillset to be tested better.

So i suppose since accuracy isnt one of those things that should be tested in sports, i guess it would be ok to just use a t-ball tee, and just see how good the players are at hitting, catchign and running. I mean, because we wouldnt want them to be too good. Or maybe we should just have the ball magnetize to the goal in basketball because running up and down the court, dribbling and passing shoudl be the skills tested. Or heck, just have the golf balls honed to the holes because its really just seeing how far the golfer can hit it...

[Lohman446]

lohman, so by saying ramping allows you to even the field of volume, are you admitting you suck?(Oh, i mean suck at walking, my mistake )

No, paintball is a lot like firearms. Why else do you think that most of the armed forces use paintball as a training medium...because ITS LIKE PLAYING WAR. And if it was all just given like it is now, what separates the noobs from the pros? They all shoot the same amount, taht used to be something I admired from the pros, now i see them as lazy and lucky rec players that made it somehow.

Dont worry rogue, he has chosen another sport, because he couldnt take what paintball had become. Deep inside, he knows that he agrees with what you say. Its just one of those things. He knows he's wrong, but he thinks that eventually if he twists the topic and tells himself its not true, that eventually he'll just wake up and it wont be true. Keep dreaming Loh, and keep up the good work, with Yak and Derek gone, we needed a new forum moron...

I think that by giving ramping, a lot of the skills i used to practice hard to obtain are now worth nothing. Of course, I still go to local fields and play true semi. and when i spike the bps to 16, 17, 18 bps they tell me to stop ramping, and i tell them to start walking. Its always fun to come around and see their faces when the paint just pours out of my guns by MY OWN WILL, not some board

Nice to speak for me. I was reasonably ok at shooting fast, it was never a focus of my game and there is little doubt that many, if not most, serious players were better at it then me. That being said, ramping impacts most players far more than it did me

As to presuming to speak about why I quit paintball. It had nothing to do with not handling the game. It had to do with cheating, bulllying refs, and general politics becoming far too much of the skillset that was tested on most days at tournaments. The game became pointless to me when it was not about shooting the other team but about who could hide the most hits from the refs (grossly simplified, judging by your moron comments, you need it).

Skills, other than being able to show off how much paint one can shoot is what seperates the noobs from the pros. "I know I'm wrong" News to me.

Am I necessarily right that speed on the trigger should not be part of the skillset? No - its an opinion. I'm just smart enough to note that my opinion is just that. Apparently you are not, I always assumed Rogue was, and beleive deep down he is. You, I doubt.

[Lohman446]

So i suppose since accuracy isnt one of those things that should be tested in sports, i guess it would be ok to just use a t-ball tee, and just see how good the players are at hitting, catchign and running. I mean, because we wouldnt want them to be too good. Or maybe we should just have the ball magnetize to the goal in basketball because running up and down the court, dribbling and passing shoudl be the skills tested. Or heck, just have the golf balls honed to the holes because its really just seeing how far the golfer can hit it...

I never said accuracy should not be tested. Read closely, I know its hard for your mind to follow. I actually said very much the opposite.

[RRfireblade]

No, paintball is a lot like firearms. Why else do you think that most of the armed forces use paintball as a training medium...because ITS LIKE PLAYING WAR

Trust me , that part I'm quite aware of. I build alot of product for the military , for that purpose.

I've just yet to see any military branch pulling maneuvers on Speedball field.

[Lohman446]

Wait wait, I want to compare it to firearms, seems how we are discussing ramping. When the military wants to shoot really really fast they train the soldiers to "walk" double trigger frames right?

Seriously though, as RR pointed out before, there may be some similarities between firearms and paintball but they are rather moot in how the game is played.

My guess, is that I actually place the skill of shooting fast higher in the skillset tested than those who argue for true semi. Just a guess.

There is a vast difference between saying "I think because" and this is how it is, end of story. My dismay is not with the arguments made, it is with the finality that they are stated.

[Lohman446]

I believe you. You have skill that most others dont. On the field, you would have an advantage, and should, because you have greater shooting skill in a sport based on shooting.



You are entitled to your opinion. But I will disagree(all I want), as you have. I too am not the only one who holds my opinion. If the skill of paintball was about accuracy and aim, players would shoot less and make each shot count. They dont.

"You dont like" is the basis for your opinion. The depth of your convictions give little reason to debate further.

Its only paintball that caters to the lowest common denominator and lowest skillset. Which is why the game has degraded to where it is.

I thought my opinion was a little deeper than that. I just don't think it should be part of the skillset. You think it should. Thats fair enough. Removing it from the skillset is not "playing to the lowest common denominator" its emphasizing different skills in the game. The thought that someone can overcome a lack of being able to move, shoot accurately (within reason) and work well as a team by laying a wall of paint concerns me. If we make everyone able to lay that same wall of paint, we move the skills tested. Don't belittle opinions that are different than yours, it doesn't suit you well.

[rkjunior303]

the most important "skill" on a speedball field is teamwork.

if you can't play as a team, you will NOT get far. truth in point, my 7 man team this year. 10 real good players but we couldn't put it together as a team.

Shooting fast helps but it's not necessary. If you plan your game well enough and communicate that plan effectively during the actual match, you're much better off.

[kruger]

You know, when this thread was started, I thought that it was about paintball. I guess that I was wrong. Its about speedball in particular, not paintball in general. The other side of paintball, the woods/scenario ball side, is not really adressed in this thread.