"HEY TOM" New idea's for AGD?

[Automagsam]

Hey, i know you probably can't say alot, but if Tom or anyone else here could fill me in on any clues or hints on anything new and revolutionary coming out of the all powerful AGD think tank whether it be a gun or upgrades. I understand if you can't cause I'm sure it's all pretty much top secret. Well, if you can respond, that'd be great.

[__Phoenix__]

Nothing is coming rom AGD.
Not now, probably never again.

[Desega]

Tom's diggin up dinos now. He retired, why are you asking him what he's doing with the company if he doesn't run it anymore?

[HoppysMag]

truly great innovations are long gone. those days ended. now its all each companys next Wizbang idea. that will be poorly build, overpriced and marketed "To the exxxtreme!"

[bentothejam1n]

Tom's diggin up dinos now. He retired, why are you asking him what he's doing with the company if he doesn't run it anymore?

i think he does own part of AGD just not the inventory
feel free to correct me though

[Automagsam]

Yeah as far as I know he still does own it right, I'm not sure, I know however he would'nt let all his work just stop, with whoever is working on it, plus I'm sure he still steps in and says his word, it's like paul mccartney not making music, sure he can do his paintings and charity, but he can't walk away from the music full blown.

[Lenny]

AGD's not really going anywhere. Tom's out on his own adventures and Zupan isn't pressing it forward. They're just sitting.

It'd be kinda nice though for Zupan to troll the forums a little more...

[snoopay700]

I hope they come out with something new and innovative, even if i won't be able to afford it.

[AGD]

Yes I do still own AGD, Zupe owns the inventory and is selling things. It is certainly not clear even if we did make something that people would buy it. Look at the slug body threads where the screams for product are answered but the product remains unsold.

There is a ton going on in the industry right now with the whole NPS/PMI consolidation and yet another new round of lawsuits. My take on that is that its not worth any companies time to develop new products, its better to go sue someone for the money the old products are generating.

I am sitting back until I see ABSOULUTELY CLEARLY that there is a true demand for a product that is either unpatentable or I already have a patent on. That is a pretty small window to shoot for and unlikely to happen soon. The forum is unreliable for marketing purposes, a few people can make a big noise.

AGD

[PsychoBaller]

Still lovin' to post during insomnia hours aye Tom? Mind is a restless sponge in the wee hrs of the morn', haha.


I hear ya, and disappointinly agree, regarding most of what ya said above. What has happened to Paintball as we used to know it? Age of electros and lawsuits bringing the essence and comradery of paintball to an end?


But at least the Forum, in and of itself, is attempting to keep that AGD dream alive. Couple o nice Dealers and their products, small bits of AO Spirit found in selected pockets here and there.



-baller

[AGD]

Hey, they stopped making big block 442's and Chevelle's 30 years ago but they are still going strong in the small dedicated group that knows and loves them. You can't expect GM to make them again just because there is a dedicated fan base, but that fan base can keep them alive.

AGD

[Lenny]

Tom speaks truth!

If you want a new product, feel free to make it yourself. I'm not trying to be sadistic in any way, just realistic. The market really isn't going anywhere; and for AGD to make a new product that will only sell very limitedly is a waste of time and effort. I'm sure Tom still thinks about paintball and different little things he could do for the industry, but the industry would probably reject it and only a few people (overall) would respect it.

But like I said, feel free to make new stuff. You aren't the only one praying for it. Look at all the pneumags built because people are tired of waiting for DW or PTP. Look at the iMags and Spydermags. I have an iMag almost completed. I wanted one simply because I don't like the honkin' battery on the EMag, but I love my Automag enough to want it as my primary electro.

And that's all I gots to say 'bout that.

[trevorjk]

And that's all I gots to say 'bout that.

are you sure?

[Lenny]

are you sure?

Well, I was going to continue, but my ADD got the best of me and I lost my train of thought.

So, yeah.

[matteusz]

I think the new thing to make for paintball is a new GAME. One is which the focus is not on marketing, money, scantily clad girls and cable channel glory. So the old game really but made new. I just read an interview in which Tom was talking about classifications and competition based on the marker you use from back in 1994. Man I wish that would have caught on. Open class formula one (but still a group of guys who play for respect based on character and skill), stock class based on what paintball started out as and semi class with limited rate of fire, limited paint and an ever varying field setup (or at least one designed to force you to play by your wits and not based on your ability to wipe while sliding). The greatest thing anyone could give to paintball now is direction towards becoming a sport. I realize I am preaching to the choir but I can't help it.

It would be awesome if industry leaders would all sit down and agree on 3 guns that everyone could make and sell and that everyone would support via a new tournament format that would be tough as all get out to get into. The guns would have to be suited to the games (see above for what I am after in a game that would become a sport). Everyone making the same thing (go crazy with color, materials whatever but performance is limited by the guts which all come from the same specs) would greatly reduce the price. Everyone requiring its use in a tournament circuit that required a showing of honorable playing to get in and skill/ teamwork to get ahead would turn the industry on its head. The speed mountain would all of a sudden be a hill in a foreign and soon to be forgotten country. The skill mountain would quickly weed out the idiots and turn some heads towards what would emerge as true pursuit games. It has to come from the top down or it will take too long to emerge. If we all wait for market forces to drive the profitability out or the "sport" that paintball has currently shaped up to be thus returning it to its smaller and more honorable state it may never happen. The recurring surge on pump popularity is proof that there are honorable people around interested in a skill based game but teenage kiddies are too distracted by the naked chicks to come to the conclusion on their own that a game without an organizing body and rule making and enforcing entity will never be more than a weekend distraction.

The game has always been shaped by the guns (granted players have done the lions share in recent years of ruining things) and for the industry leaders to stop and read the writing on the wall and find a way to take the sport ruining idiots out of the equation would be the salvation of the passtime that I love. Show us how to get together and make something based on honor. Write it on the blasted guns for heavens sake. And then give us back the game that got you here. If the big guys could get together and do that I think all of us little guys would step into a long line of people anxious to create a sport out of the fiasco we have on our hands right now. Let the NPPL PSP whoever simply go on their merry way. Meanwhile quietly announce together with Bud Orr, and whoever else you can get to come to the table a unified league of sellers working to create a game (not a market that will create itself in the form of ticket sales and entry fees) based on a product so cheap and so simple that it leave the guy holding it with nothing to do but think about the game and train his tail end off working to compete against others doing the same in the true spirit of competition. A game based on the people holding the equipment not the marketing behind the electrode running the massive amount of paint being spewed at the bikini on the other end of the field.

I so should be in bed. How about you?