"HEY TOM" New idea's for AGD?

[Dryden]

these are very good points airgun has made great products. they are near perfect. something i would like to see is some type of valve that would make your maker shoot further into the tank. cheap 200 dolla electos get over 1000-1200, shots easly out of a 68/45 . Out of my mag i am lucky to get 800. other than that the airgun products are perfect.

Given what I have read from AGD's responses to this in the past, you're not going to see it, because it is exactly the opposite of AGD's design of the Mag, and where the Mag would eventually lead in its next incarnation. The higher the pressure, the faster the recharge. I believe Tom commented a year or two ago that his ideal gun would operate at an even higher pressure than what's used today, but he knows nobody would buy it for the exact reason you've cited, and he probably couldn't make the loader/hopper to feed it without getting sued or paying somebody royalties.

This is the same discussion that's been kicked around re: Airgun for at least the last five years. TK could make the most innovative and groundbreaking paintball gear the industry has seen in the past ten years and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Make a ULE body and offer it in five different colors and AGD couldn't keep those in stock.

[snoopay700]

Given what I have read from AGD's responses to this in the past, you're not going to see it, because it is exactly the opposite of AGD's design of the Mag, and where the Mag would eventually lead in its next incarnation. The higher the pressure, the faster the recharge. I believe Tom commented a year or two ago that his ideal gun would operate at an even higher pressure than what's used today, but he knows nobody would buy it for the exact reason you've cited, and he probably couldn't make the loader/hopper to feed it without getting sued or paying somebody royalties.

This is the same discussion that's been kicked around re: Airgun for at least the last five years. TK could make the most innovative and groundbreaking paintball gear the industry has seen in the past ten years and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Make a ULE body and offer it in five different colors and AGD couldn't keep those in stock.

Hell, my mag's a gas hog anyway, and i usually get all day air so i can refill my tank after every game or two, unless i shot barely anything at all, so if he did make it i would definitely buy it, though a great marker does not one die hard fan make. If he could get a difinite number of people who were stoked on it and could get around the hopper difficulty then i hope to see something like that, because i truly believe that the world record for most cycles per second could be topped by him and maybe a few others.

[Dryden]

If he could get a difinite number of people who were stoked on it and could get around the hopper difficulty then i hope to see something like that, because i truly believe that the world record for most cycles per second could be topped by him and maybe a few others.

And that's exactly how it begins ...

AO: Make it Tom.
Tom: No. You guys need to buy at least 500.
AO: Make it Tom, we'll buy it.
Tom: No. You just say you will but you know you won't.
AO: No, we'll buy it. In fact, we're going to bug you about it every day until it's up in the AGD store.

(one year later)

Tom: OK. It's done ... up on the Airgun store.
AO: What, no colors?

[snoopay700]

And that's exactly how it begins ...

AO: Make it Tom.
Tom: No. You guys need to buy at least 500.
AO: Make it Tom, we'll buy it.
Tom: No. You just say you will but you know you won't.
AO: No, we'll buy it. In fact, we're going to bug you about it every day until it's up in the AGD store.

(one year later)

Tom: OK. It's done ... up on the Airgun store.
AO: What, no colors?

Haha, very true, and i'm not urging him to make it, i was just saying that i'd buy it and hope that when the industry levels out he'll make it, but who knows. Also, i don't normally care about colors, but xmags do look nice i will admit and i hope to own one someday.

What he could do is develop a new valve or gun or whatever for himself, show videos of what it's capable of, and then get 500 preorders or whatever, and of course people will have to wait, but it'll be worth it. Just an idea...

[zorrotmm]

I agree with much of what matteusz and others have said about the game. The arms race really kicked off with electros, and that's had a significant negative effect, but equipment manufacturers have run the sport since the beginning, and until that ends the game will never stop being focused on the equipment. The only way to change things is for new industry leaders to emerge that develop the sport with fields and game/competition formats that the equipment manufacturers don't have a hand in. Only then can the SPORT tell the MANUFACTURERS what to make, as opposed to the manufacturers telling the sport what to do and use.

I do disagree with one thing you said matteusz, although you're not the first to say it. Several people have suggested that we dictate what equipment people can use based on their time playing. The problem is that isn't realistic or enforceable. Nor would it be a good thing if it was. It would still breed elitism based on equipment, and we would be back at square one. And it would be counter productive to try and limit people in rec ball. However, what CAN be regulated and enforced is what players are using in organized competition formats. Much can be done there to make the playing field level. I think most would agree that the current equipment limitations are a joke. We don't need new stuff or better stuff anymore. We just need to give competing players equal access to the SAME stuff.

[Lenny]

Now that i read it again ... about the slug bodies ... I think tom meant ... something like ... we made them and they didn't exactly fly off of the shelves at release ... it took a long time to sell all of them ... thus the "sitting on shelves" comment

really ... what makes ... you think that ...

:dodgy:

[nate2k191]

man, tom's smart, and he made a great analogy to GM's old cars.

I love my mags, they're like vintage cars - im not dying for any new products, however, i would gladly welcome them, if the market ever allows.

[Automagsam]

If we can take anything away form this thread, I'd say its that, we together are all members of the AGD company, in our own right. The gun will get old, it will age but it will not go our of style, as long as we keep it that way. If we want to fix the industry, its up to us, to show that there are people who still do care, it is up to us to push for what is right, and not let other people walk all over us and tell us this is right or this is wrong. We are the future of the company, when we go away, AGD goes away, so let us stand strong!

[Ninjeff]

[Stealthgerbil]

All we need is an e-trigger or a sort of 'kit' to convert an intilliframe to be an e-trigger and life would be good. Just keep making the x-valves and ULE-RT pros and people will keep using mags. It sucks that e-mag lowers aren't being produced anymore, because everyone knows e-mags are badass and it sucks that we cant buy them anymore

[JKR]

If we can take anything away form this thread, I'd say its that, we together are all members of the AGD company, in our won right. The gun will get old, it will age but it will not go our of style, as long as we keep it that way. If we want to fix the industry, its up to us, to show that there are people who still do care, it is up to us to push for what is right, and not let other people walk all over us and tell us this is right or this is wrong. We are the future of the company, when we go away, AGD goes away, so let us stand strong!

Since AGD solidarity is the topic at hand, lets all try to do our best to get someone we know to buy a 'Mag this year. Personally, I am going to try and convince my brother to get back into paintball and buy a 'Mag.

JKR

[Lenny]

Since AGD solidarity is the topic at hand, lets all try to do our best to get someone we know to buy a 'Mag this year. Personally, I am going to try and convince my brother to get back into paintball and buy a 'Mag.

JKR

My buddy is building an Automag. He was VERY interested in the Cerberus Airwalk and ordered one, and he's not even on AO. (He ordered it through me)

'Mags are still out there; being built, being shot, being sold, and being bought. Us AOers are not the only ones.

Just keep that in mind.

[snoopay700]

My buddy is building an Automag. He was VERY interested in the Cerberus Airwalk and ordered one, and he's not even on AO. (He ordered it through me)

'Mags are still out there; being built, being shot, being sold, and being bought. Us AOers are not the only ones.

Just keep that in mind.

No, we're just the only ones that matter

[matteusz]

I agree with much of what matteusz and others have said about the game. The arms race really kicked off with electros, and that's had a significant negative effect, but equipment manufacturers have run the sport since the beginning, and until that ends the game will never stop being focused on the equipment. The only way to change things is for new industry leaders to emerge that develop the sport with fields and game/competition formats that the equipment manufacturers don't have a hand in. Only then can the SPORT tell the MANUFACTURERS what to make, as opposed to the manufacturers telling the sport what to do and use.

I do disagree with one thing you said matteusz, although you're not the first to say it. Several people have suggested that we dictate what equipment people can use based on their time playing. The problem is that isn't realistic or enforceable. Nor would it be a good thing if it was. It would still breed elitism based on equipment, and we would be back at square one. And it would be counter productive to try and limit people in rec ball. However, what CAN be regulated and enforced is what players are using in organized competition formats. Much can be done there to make the playing field level. I think most would agree that the current equipment limitations are a joke. We don't need new stuff or better stuff anymore. We just need to give competing players equal access to the SAME stuff.

Access to the same stuff is what I am all about. The time reference in my comments what meant to be an indication of the time is takes to put in the effort to gain skill. I think people should be limited on their equipment in order to increase skill. And visa versa if you don't have the skills you don't belong on the same hill as the guy who does. A real sport would not allow this so as to protect the players and the sport. A marketing driven game is happy to sell you the idea of skill in a box. It has been a reciprocal relationship. Teens hungry for success, acceptance, semi naked chicks attention etc. . . . blow their paychecks on equipment made by manufacturers racing to create the new thing. In the vacuum being left and tournament ball implodes rec players should come out of the woods and drag the game back to where it belong and make it a sport.

[snoopay700]

I just came up with an idea, and it doesn't even have to come from agd, how about a hot looking ULE body for the classic rt? I would kill for one of those, because i would get mine powdercoated, but i only have one body, and i'd prefer to keep it imaculate.