"HEY TOM" New idea's for AGD?

[Sammy Sandbag]

I know what a 442 is, it's made by Oldsmobile based on the Cutlass. It also had a 455 c.i. engine which was based off that same block. So, essentially, its the same engine.

True. I was just following up Tom's point that the car itself is no longer in production.

[Swampy]

Hey, they stopped making big block 442's and Chevelle's 30 years ago but they are still going strong in the small dedicated group that knows and loves them. You can't expect GM to make them again just because there is a dedicated fan base, but that fan base can keep them alive.

I understand that TK. But GM shifted in another direction and came out with something new. I might be called a heritic (SP?) but TK's orginal design is dead. It had a good run something like 15+ years pretty much the longest lasting design out there. But I feel AGD should move in a new direction weather making detents or frames upgrades for other companies to producing a whole new marker.

By the way just because a auto manufacture stop making a car/truck they still have to produce parts for said car/truck to last ten years. Worked in the Supply Chain for MOPAR for a few winters.

[G Squat]

I agree with swampy. I say look at the forums here and look at the popularity of say... a pneumag. What if AGD were to produce a ready to go, new bodied, railed, pneu-framed automag. How could a gun that shoots just as walkable as any electro, has the anti-chop capabilities of the lvl 10 (which my recent thread shows just how many people have never chopped a ball with the lvl 10... some people who shoot guns with eyes cant even say that), and all with no batteries not sell like mad. That is assuming its reasonably priced. I understand this sort of thing may cost a lot to make, but it seems like AGD just needs to go for broke. It doesnt even have to be exactly that. Just something that shows obvious popularity not only among AO's, but across the entire PB universe.

What about the warp feed. A huge hit that got crazy for a little while but not exactly on spot. Its a little cumbersome and unsightly. I always thought it would be cool to somehow have the paintballs come forcefed up through the foregrip with the feeding system located somewhere in the rear. Nothing but a detent on the top.

AGD should look at whats popular in AO forums, take the modern luxuries and advancements of todays equipment, slam it with a little revolutionary sauce (mmmmm, revolutionary sauce) and show the PB community something new. And hopefully with the support of everyone at AO, it'll be enough to kick start AGD back into scene.

[ProblemKinder]

I agree with swampy. I say look at the forums here and look at the popularity of say... a pneumag. What if AGD were to produce a ready to go, new bodied, railed, pneu-framed automag. How could a gun that shoots just as walkable as any electro, has the anti-chop capabilities of the lvl 10 (which my recent thread shows just how many people have never chopped a ball with the lvl 10... some people who shoot guns with eyes cant even say that), and all with no batteries not sell like mad. That is assuming its reasonably priced. I understand this sort of thing may cost a lot to make, but it seems like AGD just needs to go for broke. It doesnt even have to be exactly that. Just something that shows obvious popularity not only among AO's, but across the entire PB universe.

What about the warp feed. A huge hit that got crazy for a little while but not exactly on spot. Its a little cumbersome and unsightly. I always thought it would be cool to somehow have the paintballs come forcefed up through the foregrip with the feeding system located somewhere in the rear. Nothing but a detent on the top.

AGD should look at whats popular in AO forums, take the modern luxuries and advancements of todays equipment, slam it with a little revolutionary sauce (mmmmm, revolutionary sauce) and show the PB community something new. And hopefully with the support of everyone at AO, it'll be enough to kick start AGD back into scene.

if I'm not mistaken, there is a patent out there, owned by somebody that is hampering the mass production of PneuFrames. somebody correct me if I'm wrong, or validate my statement if I'm right.

AO was created for the soul purpose's of giving us mag owners a place to go for techincal support and to give AGD R&D constructive feedback. I'm sure the technicians are reading every post of this forum while they figure out what and when they are going to do with the company.

[Mongoose]

if I'm not mistaken, there is a patent out there, owned by somebody that is hampering the mass production of PneuFrames. somebody correct me if I'm wrong, or validate my statement if I'm right.

AO was created for the soul purpose's of giving us mag owners a place to go for techincal support and to give AGD R&D constructive feedback. I'm sure the technicians are reading every post of this forum while they figure out what and when they are going to do with the company.

Yes i think your right.
if AGD came out with a p-mag they would be sued the very next day!
But i think the best part about AGD is that they were always ahead of there time!
And im having a blast building my own p-mags. Not to mention all the kids thinking i have the newest tightest shocker out there!!!!
BATTERIES ARE FOR GIRLS

P.S. Hey Tom are there any patents on building a body and rail that can house a LPR? or did smart parts claim that also.

I only drive a GM and only shoot a MAG
Goose

[Liquid Plummer]

What will drive AGD into a deeper state of stagnation is if they keep shooting their largest corporate customers in the foot.

When the Tacs converted to the new rail design, one of their biggest customers (Spec Ops) had no idea that one of their flagship products, and a decent source of AGD sales was now dead. Just by AGD changing rails. It seems minor, but when you're already a struggling company with only a couple of products that people even remember anymore why would you do something so ridiculous?

[Bigman]

I'm going to agree over the past year or so I've heard so much of interest into AGD mostly from the Tac-One what people see of the E-Mag and thier work for Spec Ops and yet here we are...
I was a strong support of AGD, beating the people back that where saying "Oh AGD is dead they haven't done anything in years..." knowing full well that there were still work at AGD. Yet here I am throwing in my towel, I've been expecting some signs of life from AGD even the up keep of its old lines and maybe cleaning up the E-Mag design abit, yet here I am. I rember the game where I first heard from Tom Kaye himself say that he was retiring, I was dumb struck but I understood, that was the begining. I was thinking that there would still be some life in the company. Then I see write ups about the Tac-One and E-Tac in 3 paintball magizines and I'm thinking "Hail to the King baby, AGD is back." Man have I been let down. Here he is one paintballs icons throwing in the towel faster than AKA, waiting for the market to turn around... I'll make this short, we fight for the Respect that the players should show AGD for AGD to turn around and openly say, we're done, just going to wait for the market to come around... When I myself want my own E-Tac and can't get it why should I defend a company that doesn't even fight for itself. WGP is on life support so they take a risk with a new marker that's comfortable to shoot, and keep pushing it even after the fan boys say it's ugly, they're still fighting. I'll leave you with a poem from Dylan Thomas about his dying father...
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

AGD place in the industry will be everlasting and what they occomplished will never be revoked but it's what you do when in the dying of the light that defines who you are.
Tom and all those AGD I love and respect you but nothing ever stops and the industry will continue to change and I as a player will evolve with it and stand out the coming implosion...
Good Luck and I hope you're time comes again, second chances are rare.
Sorry it wasn't short but needed to be said, atleast to me. Cheers, see you on the field.

[BigEvil]

When I myself want my own E-Tac and can't get it

Why cant you get an Etac? All it is, is an emag with a Tac-1 body..

..and not-for-nothing, it sucks, but TK and AGD are making the right move. (Right for them, wherever it leads to)

[Bigman]

Where can you get an E-Mag new?

[BigEvil]

Where can you get an E-Mag new?

If they arent listed on the AGD site, they could be waiting on TAC bodies. Tuna should have them. He's the man. Come to think about it, he may be part machine too. I think Tom built him. I guess that would make him a "Tom-bot" :)

[Dark Side]

If they arent listed on the AGD site, they could be waiting on TAC bodies. Tuna should have them. He's the man. Come to think about it, he may be part machine too. I think Tom built him. I guess that would make him a "Tom-bot" :)

That maybe the direction the company is going....

[viper-mayhem]

AGD place in the industry will be everlasting and what they occomplished will never be revoked but it's what you do when in the dying of the light that defines who you are.
Tom and all those AGD I love and respect you but nothing ever stops and the industry will continue to change and I as a player will evolve with it and stand out the coming implosion...
Good Luck and I hope you're time comes again, second chances are rare.
Sorry it wasn't short but needed to be said, atleast to me. Cheers, see you on the field.

So where will you go. I am a diehard Angel fan, no matter what anyone says. I'll defend them all the way. Last week I became a AGD owner too. I believe I have the best of both worlds. Mech and Electro.

[Liquid Plummer]

Well, a simple thing would be to sell E-Mag lowers to those of us that already have multiple mag and can't see the sense in shelling out another $1200. I have a classic. I have a Warp Tac. What I would like is to have EMag Lowers. When I asked AGD to buy just the lowers I was told very clearly that it was not possible, nor would it ever be possible.

So, I now have to resort to buying lowers used instead of new from the company that made them.


New idea! Sell Loweers.

[skife]

I know what a 442 is, it's made by Oldsmobile based on the Cutlass. It also had a 455 c.i. engine which was based off that same block. So, essentially, its the same engine.

wrong.

442's have had everything from a 455 to a 4cylinder.

307's 400's

the first year wasn't even a 455, it was a 330 :P



everything you ever wanted to know about a 442 olds

[Swampy]

Well, a simple thing would be to sell E-Mag lowers to those of us that already have multiple mag and can't see the sense in shelling out another $1200. I have a classic. I have a Warp Tac. What I would like is to have EMag Lowers. When I asked AGD to buy just the lowers I was told very clearly that it was not possible, nor would it ever be possible.

So, I now have to resort to buying lowers used instead of new from the company that made them.


New idea! Sell Loweers.

I know what your saying but it won't happen considering the E-Mag is very self supportive. From a business aspect why part something that works. Its the only one I know of in its class to be different.