G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[BigEvil]

. Also since the quantity is so low, these are being done at a lost.

Garf

From what you describe, I bet there would be many people interested in this outside of those who purchased a GForce frame.

[G-Force Tech]

Hi John,

Sorry to say but Logic has spend 4 years posting??????

The LPR works but has creeping issues and requires that chamber to be increase further but we have reached the physical limit, so the delay. I would have to machine another prototype.

I would have like to have the LPRs done the same time as the frames.

Garf

Garth just pop in here every week with something like...

"Machining last piston plunger V2.4 of LPR...should resolve low end recharge rates..."

Then post a pic...and sit back and enjoy no one giving you hell and knuckle out the bugs in peace!

Its really not that hard...heck Logic has been doing that for 4yrs? with his eframes....and no tears have been shed by anybody...

[G-Force Tech]

This is custom made only for our frames. It wont't fit another frame.

Garf

From what you describe, I bet there would be many people interested in this outside of those who purchased a GForce frame.

[Dend78]

This is custom made only for our frames. It wont't fit another frame.

Garf

oh come now where there is a dremel there is a way :rofl:

[insixdays777]

Hi John,

Sorry to say but Logic has spend 4 years posting??????

The LPR works but has creeping issues and requires the that chamber to be increase further but we have reached the physical limit, so the delay.

I would have like to have the LPRs done the same time as the frames.

Garf

Thanks for the detailed update...Garth willing to open the issue up to help from others?

There are alot of other super smart folks here that might be able to bring a new look to the issue...nothing wrong with a fresh set of eyes...and nothing wrong with a TEAM effort....

[WickedKlown2]

Garf,

If there is any help you need from us just feel free to ask,,, it couldn't hurt and would keep us in the loop.

WK2

[Hgblues]

oh come now where there is a dremel there is a way :rofl:

shhh, he may have the patent on the dremel...hey, wait a minute...If I used my internet(patent violation) to access AO via internet explorer ( patent violation), to purchase a kit(violation) then watched a how-to video (pat violation), to build my EP mag( some kinda violation, I'm sure) on my kitchen table (rhodes furniture patent violation) with a dremel (violation), and a 9v battery (SP patent violation), then went out and smoked a buncha rookies and won 100 bucks in a tourney, do I need to split that 100 bucks with Garf, SP, AO, Rhodes furniture, Lowes, Chevron (bought the battery there), and bill gates ??

can't believe he pulled the "patent" card.

Pneu kit - really cheap
Instruction videos on AO - free (cause mag owners rock!)
Dremel , drill, and 2 hours to build my EP frame at my kitchen table - Well, time is money
1 week from start to finish, including the time to ship the parts in, to stand on the field with a custom built, smokin EP mag (coulda left it pneu, but needed the ramp for tourneys) while G-tech's customers wonder what's takin 2 years? PRICELESS

Oh, and can't wait for my PTP micro body to get here to mount my frame up to

[G-Force Tech]

Stuffing a full sized LPR into the grip frame is not easy. You noticed that I did some extensive panel grip milling to accomodate the internal LPR, it is that wide.

And yes, the higher running pressure of a tickler is really hard on the extender and increases the trigger pull. I have cockers, and not a single one uses a tickler.

Garf

Thanks for the detailed update...Garth willing to open the issue up to help from others?

There are alot of other super smart folks here that might be able to bring a new look to the issue...nothing wrong with a fresh set of eyes...and nothing wrong with a TEAM effort....

[G-Force Tech]

These could be my last posts. Remember I am banned.

Garf,

If there is any help you need from us just feel free to ask,,, it couldn't hurt and would keep us in the loop.

WK2

[Smoothice]

Nik,

We have machined several prototye LPRs that have many components which takes many hours, not minutes for a feedneck mod.

Garf

Garfield,

Those are minutes that could and should be used completing these lpr's.

But hey you already have the money. So whats the rush?

[G-Force Tech]

I will pop in here once a week to post an update.

Garf

Garth just pop in here every week with something like...

"Machining last piston plunger V2.4 of LPR...should resolve low end recharge rates..."

Then post a pic...and sit back and enjoy no one giving you hell and knuckle out the bugs in peace!

Its really not that hard...heck Logic has been doing that for 4yrs? with his eframes....and no tears have been shed by anybody...

[Dend78]

I will pop in here once a week to post an update.

Garf

FANTASTIC!!!! I think your results will be a lil smoother from here on out

[flyingpootang]

Wow....I'm not a machinist by trade, but I can tell you that R&D does take time from design, writing the cnc program, and machining. If you have a problem with a component that doesn't work you may have to start all over again due to tolerance issues. Safety also need to be taken into account due to insurance liabilities of his product. I have seen the internals of Garf's frame and I'm impressed with his ingenuity of his components. Since he designed it he knows the stress limitation of the components hence why I believe he is not happy with the internal LPR design. Since I'm a Dremel machinist "like a lot of you" we don't take into account a lot of things he has too. I have tinkered with my fair share of PneuMags and yes it only takes a couple of hours to slap on together. After a lot of tinkering I have got it to rip as fast as an electro on semi on DB2.

Now do I think that these internal LPRs will ever be produced: Yeah eventually. (a lot of people though they got scammed on the frames, but eventually got them). I guess that is the problem with a ground up production build it's difficult to estimate the delays. Garf is taking a loss at producing only 10, but he took your money so he is obligated to produce them....

My suggestions is to get your frame and have him ship your internal LPR when or if it ever gets done. With my experience the WGP tickler works fine and I have no worries with bending any components of a home brewed PneuMag. Would I use one on a G-Force frame without worrying YUP, but then again I'm a Dremel Machinist.......

[warbeak2099]

1. Hilltop, you're mistaken. Those of us who ordered the internal LPR can still use our frames with external LPR's.

2. Ticklers suck, period. They suck on cockers, they suck on pneumags. It's not hard to understand why. If you're one of those people who think your trigger pull with a tickler is just as good as anyone else's with a better LPR, you probably are the same dreamers who think a ULT is just as walkable as a well tuned electro trigger. Get real.

3. The time we've had to wait is ridiculous. This product shouldn't have been offered if it wasn't ready yet.

4. These frames are way better than any home mod or pneumagger modded intelli. The best way to describe it is comparing a Critical timmy trigger to the trigger on an SFT shocker. The Critical trigger of course representing the G-Force frame. Once you shoot a frame with the trigger pivot behind the trigger, you don't go back to guns with the pivot point above the trigger. Bob Long figured that one out early on with the 2k2 timmies.

There, a completely objective assessment. Yes, we've had to wait a long time and have dealt with unprofessional CS from G-Force. But please don't tell us the product isn't better than any other pneu-mod out there. It is. I'm pissed about the wait and the missed deadlines, but I'll be damned if I'm going to use some POS tickler in my frame. Pneumagger is a smart guy, I can't believe he doesn't understand why ticklers suck.

[Beemer]

Ok some of you folks might want to reread your posts and do an edit. Then again if it is quoted it is to late.

I KNOW you all know HOW to post with some class and style. If you dont or cant please dont post here. We know what his Screen Name is you dont need to be a smartalex about it.
Ya that means you Smooth.

Garf you knew what table you were sitting down at when you started this. This is AO and completely FREE for ALL. Vendor, dealer, trader or who ever. There are NO FEES.
Doesnt really matter who you are. We like to think of it as a Family. If you mess it up or jack it around you arent a part of it and the Mods will Ban you NO MATTER who you are.

Ya you can take a lesson from Coolhand. Ya that got all fubar and I feel sorry for him. I dont feel sorry for you beacause you didnt keep your customers informed.

So you dont care if you get banned. Wrong answer. Is banned on AO what you really want in your feedback. You arent Banned and I wont Ban you cause like I said I REALLY hate that.
Part of me still wants to thow.

I dont Mod here because it is FUN or because I get PAID because it isnt and I dont.
I do it because I care and I like the family. I dont Ban folks for FUN or because I like to because it isnt and I dont.

Then I read ALL the posts since my last one and I see folks here offering to HELP YOU out with design issues. How cool is that. That is why I love AO.

Now flush the crapper and try again.

To the rest of you carry on. Smack talk is ok but be careful and be WARNED. Dont step over the line OR you will get a Ban. REMEMBER this IS A.O.