LCE-Mag frame conversions.

[paint magnet]

Yes, you need the ULT for these frames to be able to fire the marker.

I agree that the classic valve needs ome attention, but I don't know of any frames out there that will fire the classic except the AGD Emag lowers...

The Centerflag Hyperframe and BooYah ELCD (POS though it may have been) work with the Classic valve as well, I believe.

[luke]

The Centerflag Hyperframe and BooYah ELCD (POS though it may have been) work with the Classic valve as well, I believe.

Didn't they have tons of problems with those frames until the ULT came?

[Liquid Plummer]

Didn't they have tons of problems with those frames until the ULT came?

I think Centerflag had their own On/Off assembly with the Hyperframe. At least for the retro valves they did. I don't know about the Boo-Yah.

That's why I am (i guess) frustrated. The Hyperframe somehow worked with the Classic valves very well. It would be great to see something, that didn't involve buying a whole new valve costing as much as the marker did new in the first place, amp up their beloved Mag. Was the solenoid in the hyperframe stronger than sear tripper electro-grips?

[luke]

Added a few more pictures in the first post, conversion with a Spyder Rocking trigger and Tac-One Spyder with eyes. (Now doing eye installs )

[StygShore]

rocker

ok whose is the rocking trigger frame, that thing has to be sick!!!!

Styg

[luke]

It belongs to a guy here on AO.
That thing is fast!

[hitech]

The classic valve should work fine with this mod and a ULT. The ULT works well with a classic valve and a hyperframe(straight from Tom), so there is no reason to think it would not work with this frame.





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[warbeak2099]

Luke, how come you won't do it for a classic railed mag? I don't wanna get rid of my Alpha rail, but I'm seriously considering having this done. I've already got my Alpha rail milled for eyes and covers!

[luke]

Because the rail is to narrow and will not provide a flat base for the eframe to bolt to. The donor frames are wider than the classic rails and only have flat top around the out side edge.

[warbeak2099]

? It's been done many times to a classic railed mag.

Example#1

Example #2

There are also a couple on pbnation. Perhaps the newer ESP frame you're using are wider. My ESP frame I have laying around is not too wide at all. It's only about 3-4mm wider than my mag frame.

Very curious indeed. I wonder if there are differences in different Soyder e-frames.

[luke]

Ok, you want to use a classic rail, fine, send me the parts and I'll do the mod, that is if you want a half *** job, makes little diffrence to me the price is the same.

[warbeak2099]

Woah woah, I'm sorry Luke. I didn't mean to upset you or anything. I really like how you do the mod and it looks like a great upgrade. I just really want to figure out if maybe it's possible. That's why I'm wondering if there are different spec spyder e-frames out there. Trust me, I realize you know what you're doing more than I. I would never try to say that you're wrong and the frames you've used aren't too wide for classic rails. I'm just putting a question out there that maybe there are some frames floating around that can actually work on classic rails. You know, like the ones some people have used to make their spydermags. Again, sorry Luke. I didn't mean to provoke any anger from you. I'm still trying to see if I can get my homemade mod to work. If not, I'd be very interested in helping you figure out if maybe there's some frames that could actually work for customers who don't want to ditch their classic rails.

[luke]

See the top of the frame where it was milled flat, (the silver area)? That gives the frame a flat even mounting surface. The AM/MM rail sits between the milled area (and it is round), which can may cause miss alignment between parts. That is why I said you need a RT pro style rail, it wider and fits the way it should.

If you guys want me to simply convert your frames and let you assemble, fine tune and adjust the new sear, that's fine by me. Just don't bad mouth me if you have problems...

[luke]

Woah woah, I'm sorry Luke. I didn't mean to upset you or anything. I really like how you do the mod and it looks like a great upgrade. I just really want to figure out if maybe it's possible. That's why I'm wondering if there are different spec spyder e-frames out there. Trust me, I realize you know what you're doing more than I. I would never try to say that you're wrong and the frames you've used aren't too wide for classic rails. I'm just putting a question out there that maybe there are some frames floating around that can actually work on classic rails. You know, like the ones some people have used to make their spydermags. Again, sorry Luke. I didn't mean to provoke any anger from you. I'm still trying to see if I can get my homemade mod to work. If not, I'd be very interested in helping you figure out if maybe there's some frames that could actually work for customers who don't want to ditch their classic rails.

[luke]

If not, I'd be very interested in helping you figure out if maybe there's some frames that could actually work for customers who don't want to ditch their classic rails.

ps, sorry for getting a little ticked off, you just caught me at the wrong time.


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You can not use and original Automag/Minimag rail they are to narrow for the E-fame to bolt to. All others should be fine.

Also, the bottom of the rail is too thin for the new sear to operate.

AND, after I mill the top of the frame the bottom of the AM rail interferes with the operation of the trigger.


(this edit is not for "warbeak2099")