Deleting threads, stupid or not

[txaggie08]

5. Beemer was appointed the newest mod and directed to enforce the rules, because in the past letting them bend just caused them to bend further and further until it was unacceptable.

Then enforce the rules in the manner laid out in the TOS, not make them up as you go along.

I have remained mostly silent on this, but let's talk about rules for a moment. The rules clearly state that:

Mild offences will probably result in a post being edited, locked, or deleted by the moderators. If a topic is locked, we will give you a quick explanation as to why. For more severe offences we will delete the post and give you a warning - maybe two. After that you will be banned. Bans last from 3 days to forever, depending on the offence and your reaction to the moderators when they try to correct your behavior.

I was banned, I cannot speak to rogue or bigE, with no warning what so ever, and the post was not locked or deleted. I had also(and the mods should be able to check there backlogs...)never received a prior warning for anything. So, as I see it, I violated the TOS once, but the offending moderator did so twice in failing to A. Delete the post, and B. Banning me without warning in clear contradiction of the agreed upon rules and guidlines.

I would therefore like to lodge a complaint with the site administration against said moderator for commiting multiple infractions on the TOS. If I can be banned for one infraction, and have no warning, certainly a person responsible for maintaining the standards of this forum, and charge with enforcing an agreed upon set of rules, should be punished for doing so.

I'm very serious btw, I would apreciate this issue being adressed quickly and effeciently by site administration(preferably AGD). I'll also be saving a copy of this as I have no doubt it will be gone ere shortly.

[Dend78]

Then enforce the rules in the manner laid out in the TOS, not make them up as you go along.

I have remained mostly silent on this, but let's talk about rules for a moment. The rules clearly state that:



I was banned, I cannot speak to rogue or bigE, with no warning what so ever, and the post was not locked or deleted. I had also(and the mods should be able to check there backlogs...)never received a prior warning for anything. So, as I see it, I violated the TOS once, but the offending moderator did so twice in failing to A. Delete the post, and B. Banning me without warning in clear contradiction of the agreed upon rules and guidlines.

I would therefore like to lodge a complaint with the site administration against said moderator for commiting multiple infractions on the TOS. If I can be banned for one infraction, and have no warning, certainly a person responsible for maintaining the standards of this forum, and charge with enforcing an agreed upon set of rules, should be punished for doing so.

I'm very serious btw, I would apreciate this issue being adressed quickly and effeciently by site administration(preferably AGD). I'll also be saving a copy of this as I have no doubt it will be gone ere shortly.

i feel that some of what you just said is a good point, for instance the fact that you hanvent been warned, thats something that could be useful a way of keeping tabs on warnings would be a stellar thing for the mods. i mean dont get me wrong im not siding with anyone here im just pointing out things that i see as a good idea. as far as a complaint goes there should be if there isnt already mods above mods. i know most forums i am part of there are, im actually part of one that has several tiers of mods, ie basic mod - just steps in to say hey keep it clean and under control, mod step 2 - has the power to warn or ban unruly members including the basic mods and so forth. i didnt read the threads or anything so im not gonna jump in and try to act like i know whats going on becuase i dont. im just going off of what ive read here.

[teufelhunden]

Oh and triggering the curse filter is not in the rules, therefore it should not be a bannable offense. After all you are putting it to it's use. You type a curse word and allow it to censor you..but wait I've been banned for it..

I would equate it to case law or precedent. Army has posted about it.

[warpig13]

I don't have a problem with people coming over here and talking about it. It was infact a senseless ban. And I don't think anyone was trying to get banned. I argued case and point, but I did it without the use of profanity and in a manner that was respectable.


I lose all sympathy for someone when they choose to be ignorant in their arguement.

[kosmo]

If we are all gonna sit around and complain, I might as well too.

When I get banned, at least put that you banned me and why in the banned thread. I dont spend enough time on here to remember what the last metaphorical pointy stick I was poking beemer or Army with was all about. And "You know why" for a reason aint gonna cut it either.

[Lohman446]

I don't have a problem with people coming over here and talking about it. It was infact a senseless ban. And I don't think anyone was trying to get banned. I argued case and point, but I did it without the use of profanity and in a manner that was respectable.


I lose all sympathy for someone when they choose to be ignorant in their arguement.

Rogue does often seem to post for no other reason than to be disruptive (when not selling things). Telling me that it was senseless or this is not true.... I just don't buy it, doesn't pass the sniff test.

[ThePixelGuru]

Wow, lots of misconceptions flying around here. I'm going to at least try to set the record straight about why I care.

I don't care about this just because BE or Rogue got banned. BE knew he would probably get banned, and Rogue knows he's not immune to the rules. Still, linking to a thread on AO that links to porn and should be removed isn't linking to porn like Beemer implied at first.

I'm not trying to get banned or tear AO down. This is one of the dumbest ones - we're complaining about getting banned, why would we try to get banned? We're trying to fix this problem for a better AO without frivolous bans, why would we be trying to destroy it? Sorry some of you folks seem to have such a low opinion of us.

The mods are not following their own rules. That is what this is about. When I got banned, it annoyed me because I didn't break any of the rules. I got banned for posting four asterisks in a row. It was pointed out to me that there's a rule against cussing - great, I didn't cuss, I posted four asterisks. It's been pointed out to me that there's a rule (or at least precedent, in no way stated in the "Rules" thread) against tripping the cuss filter - great, I didn't trip the cuss filter, I posted four asterisks. It was the first time I ever was aware of such a rule, and I'd been doing it for a year or so without anyone ever having a problem with it. Also, according to the rules, we're supposed to get a warning before a ban. I never got a warning - if I had, I would have gone and edited every single one of my posts immediately.

The mods are not enforcing the rules consistently. Some users get banned for posting four asterisks or links to other AO threads, while others stick around for a long time even though they have usernames that reference fecal exits, location tags containing homophobic slurs with only a single letter blocked by an asterisk, and custom user titles that explicitly mention male sex organs. Some of us think this is a little hypocritical, and that if the mods want to enforcing punishments for these little violations in single posts they should start enforcing punishments for users who have these violations in every single post they've ever made.

We're not asking for perfection, we're asking for consistency and a complete set of rules that the mods will actually follow. Every single ban should be able to be backed up by a citation of a rule from the official "Rules" thread, and every single violation of a rule from that thread should result in either a warning or a ban. This might not happen all the time, but it's happening far less than it should and something needs to change.

For those of you who will tell me to get out if I don't like it, that's one of the dumbest things I've heard. I think AO is a great community, and I try to add what I can to it and help to make it better. We're all part of this, and if you think that AO is the "Beemer Show" then I think you completely miss the point of this kind of forum. We're not complaining about this to make trouble, we're complaining about this because helpful, upstanding members of this community are getting banned for minor incidents which don't violate the rules of this forum just because the mods felt like it that particular day.

[warpig13]

I don't like how we are singling out Beemer.

He has his work cut out for him. You don't see the other mods as much as you used to so he has done a good job picking up the slack. He doesnt have time to monitor every post.

POOF

But complainig won't get us anywhere, if you want to "fix" AO then we would have to work at it. I know as well as anyone the glory days are gone, but that doesnt mean the remaining days have to be completely bad.

3 day for blatant cussing. Army

[Dend78]

good stuff TPG you are right every ban that gets handed out aside from the spam bots, should be posted in the thread or at least sent to the banned person the rule that was broken. that seems to be a very fair thing. i mean i understand that takes some extra time off the mods who like the rest of us have lives and things but at the same time its good for people to have an something to go off of. i know the one time i was banned was for a stupid forgetful reason but i was at least given the exact reason for the ban, and it was clearly in the rules.

[CKY_Alliance]

Wow, lots of misconceptions flying around here. I'm going to at least try to set the record straight about why I care.

I don't care about this just because BE or Rogue got banned. BE knew he would probably get banned, and Rogue knows he's not immune to the rules. Still, linking to a thread on AO that links to porn and should be removed isn't linking to porn like Beemer implied at first.

I'm not trying to get banned or tear AO down. This is one of the dumbest ones - we're complaining about getting banned, why would we try to get banned? We're trying to fix this problem for a better AO without frivolous bans, why would we be trying to destroy it? Sorry some of you folks seem to have such a low opinion of us.

The mods are not following their own rules. That is what this is about. When I got banned, it annoyed me because I didn't break any of the rules. I got banned for posting four asterisks in a row. It was pointed out to me that there's a rule against cussing - great, I didn't cuss, I posted four asterisks. It's been pointed out to me that there's a rule (or at least precedent, in no way stated in the "Rules" thread) against tripping the cuss filter - great, I didn't trip the cuss filter, I posted four asterisks. It was the first time I ever was aware of such a rule, and I'd been doing it for a year or so without anyone ever having a problem with it. Also, according to the rules, we're supposed to get a warning before a ban. I never got a warning - if I had, I would have gone and edited every single one of my posts immediately.

The mods are not enforcing the rules consistently. Some users get banned for posting four asterisks or links to other AO threads, while others stick around for a long time even though they have usernames that reference fecal exits, location tags containing homophobic slurs with only a single letter blocked by an asterisk, and custom user titles that explicitly mention male sex organs. Some of us think this is a little hypocritical, and that if the mods want to enforcing punishments for these little violations in single posts they should start enforcing punishments for users who have these violations in every single post they've ever made.

We're not asking for perfection, we're asking for consistency and a complete set of rules that the mods will actually follow. Every single ban should be able to be backed up by a citation of a rule from the official "Rules" thread, and every single violation of a rule from that thread should result in either a warning or a ban. This might not happen all the time, but it's happening far less than it should and something needs to change.

For those of you who will tell me to get out if I don't like it, that's one of the dumbest things I've heard. I think AO is a great community, and I try to add what I can to it and help to make it better. We're all part of this, and if you think that AO is the "Beemer Show" then I think you completely miss the point of this kind of forum. We're not complaining about this to make trouble, we're complaining about this because helpful, upstanding members of this community are getting banned for minor incidents which don't violate the rules of this forum just because the mods felt like it that particular day.

True that..especially on the curse filter thing.. There's no rule saying you cannot activate it. Just don't circumvent it...and if you are gonna make your own rules and ban one person for it then ban everyone for it.

[Army]

Rule #1 is no cussing. The filter makes sure your words are not visible by using an asterisk. If you did not curse, the filter would not activate.

Rule #7 is for those who insist on cursing anyway.

So yes, there is a rule that says you cannot activate it. Playing the semantics game is childish.

[CKY_Alliance]

Rule #1 is no cussing. The filter makes sure your words are not visible by using an asterisk. If you did not curse, the filter would not activate.

Rule #7 is for those who insist on cursing anyway.

So yes, there is a rule that says you cannot activate it. Playing the semantics game is childish.

So what if I just want to make a picture with asterisks or something? Is it automatically going to be presumed as cursing? Because I've really been feeling the urge to draw one..honestly they're just so nifty.

[DevilMan]

Rule #1 is no cussing. The filter makes sure your words are not visible by using an asterisk. If you did not curse, the filter would not activate.

Rule #7 is for those who insist on cursing anyway.

So yes, there is a rule that says you cannot activate it. Playing the semantics game is childish.

Hey ARMY..... if I type **** what did I just type????

It's the same as if I typed... #### only with another number. Or %$#@@!$#%$#.... See... The filter don't trip on those.... and there is no CUSSING involved. You follow yet????

When someone wants to say BULL**** The ***************** * ** * ** ** * ** * * Can be added by the person typing. NOW if AO wants to say that BULL**** is a cuss word... then so be it... but I hear crap on regular radio and tv all the time that says crap isn't a cuss word.

You follow what I'm saying??? It's been pointed out that some folks can type the * * * * * in place of a cuss word. NOW if that is an issue then that should be stated. And the filter should NOT just ********* As it is... the filter catches it and says okay bad word, change to **** there you go. All good. So therefore the filter is allowed to say.... *************** so therefore a person typing should be allowed to say... * * * ***** * ***FY*#($#(*$&@#(%&$#(*&^$#($&!@(&$#)#%

You understand now???? Some of the folks that posted here.... posted it as an ASTERISK!!!!! The SHIFT + 8 Key combo.... and THEREFORE did not cuss. So then they were BANNED because a little ***** Showed in their thread. The MODS took that **** as a sign that they cussed and without warning banned them.

SO..... If **** is considered cussing.... then the filter should be changed and the rule stated. Everyone is all riled up ..... what can you do..... I can say a number of things that when leaving 1 word out you can still fill in the blanks in your head as to what is THOUGHT and it's not cussing. Like.... I have a girlfriend and man does she love to ****.... Now what did I just say???? What did the CUSS FILTER catch???? I could make it.... I have a girlfriend and man does she love to _____.... Is that different now??? It's a fill in the blank.... With NO context to base it off of... I could be saying a number of things.... Cook, Read, Sew, Drink, Party, Skate, Shoot, etc.

Is the light bulb flickering yet???? Maybe if you want to SEPARATE what is a cuss word and what is an ***** then maybe someone should enact a thing where the CUSS filter instead of ***** Replaces the word with or another icon or symbol that we lower class users don't have access to..... Like if I said.... I have a girlfriend and man does she love to ..... See now that would make a difference... could it be hacked and circumvented?? Sure it could.... but the general user isn't gonna go through the trouble to do that....

Anywho.... it's now past my bedtime.....

Ciao!

DM

[DevilMan]

I don't like how we are singling out Beemer.

He has his work cut out for him. You don't see the other mods as much as you used to so he has done a good job picking up the slack. He doesnt have time to monitor every post.

POOF

But complainig won't get us anywhere, if you want to "fix" AO then we would have to work at it. I know as well as anyone the glory days are gone, but that doesnt mean the remaining days have to be completely bad.

3 day for blatant cussing. Army

Hey ARMY..... What did he say that was a cuss word??? Was it the **** word?? Or the ***** word???

DM

[CKY_Alliance]

Hold on...so warpig gets banned for asterisks, but trevorjk circumvented the filter and got a warning? This is what people are complaining about.