Deleting threads, stupid or not

[Pacifist_Farmer]

Has anyone stopped to consider the fact that this is a message board? That's right a message board. Sure I'm all about free speech and an end to hypocrisies, but this is a message board, on the internet.

Do so many of us have so much extra time in our lives that we can spend hours arguing over the fairness and justification of Bans in a forum we neither own nor run.


Maybe some of us should take a step back and try to do something productive with our lives.

Just sayin.

[Hexis]

Go back to it all you like. It still don't change that fact that THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM... People can come and go as they please. If you are going to COME INTO THIS FORUM.... You AGREE TO FOLLOW the RULES AS STATED IN THE TOS. THAT MEANS YOU FOLLOW THEM HOW THEY ARE POSTED!!!!

Wrong, it's a private owned forum that is open to registered members to participate in.

The Administrators are given certain duties and responsibilities. As long as the ownership is happy with their efforts, they are fulfilling their responsibilities. Both your and my opinion does not figure into the mix.

Unrelated to DevilMan:

Let's just drop the 1st amendment argument. Here's the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

AGD, TK and AO Admins are not congress (or the us government). They can abridge the freedom of the press in this venue all they want and still not run afoul of the 1st Amendment.

[Lohman446]

RF and BE knew the rules, they were around for those discussions. Now you know the rules - no reason to keep causing a disruption over them.

[bofh]

And are therefore in the SAME shoes as I am as a USER of the board.

Well, if that's the case, why don't you ban one of the Mods?

Oh, you can't? Perhaps those shoes are different after all.

[teufelhunden]

Gonna go back to this. Private board, you don't pay for, owned by someone else. You're opinion on if a rule is fair or not, or if it is enforced correctly or not of very minimal value.

I believe Lohman meant to write that Your opinion on if a rule is fair or not, or if it is enforced correctly or not, is of very minimal value.

You know Lohman.... For once I agree 100% with you.

On part of it at least. My opinion is "NOT OF VERY MINIMAL VALUE" Meaning it is has a very HIGH VALUE.

So thank you for seeing things my way.

He missed a word and some punctuation but you just look silly.

[Lohman446]

He missed a word and some punctuation but you just look silly.

Oops, I should learn to proofread. :P Thanks for clearing it up for those that don't get it.

[txaggie08]

So what rule did rogue break? He apparently said "hey beamer, this thread (insert link) has porn in it, why don't you go moderate instead of arguing"(or something to that tune...). This is against the rules and worthy of a ban, especially of a contributing member? I'm really baffled by that one.

[Target Practice]

Bofh, haven't seen you in a while. Let me clue you in: this here group is just not worth the time arguing with. Best to just leave them to their own devices and let them wallow in their pointless debates. However, if you must post, be sure to make passive-aggressive posts like this one.

[DevilMan]

Bofh, haven't seen you in a while. Let me clue you in: this here group is just not worth the time arguing with. Best to just leave them to their own devices and let them wallow in their pointless debates. However, if you must post, be sure to make passive-aggressive posts like this one.

So it's a pointless debate??? Much like the rest of the worlds issues I would say. I mean why care for anything at all that don't affect you. Say for instance the helmet law. Should it be mandatory??? Well if you don't ride then you don't care do you??? But what about when you decide you want to ride??? Then it would matter to you don't you think???

If RIGHT and WRONG don't matter to you. The why don't you keep your "I don't care" and pointless posts to yourself. After all it don't matter right???? So the time that it took you to type it up to nitpick on myself and the rest of us that are here trying to make things right you could have more easily kept it to yourself and moved along. If it don't matter to you then why visit the thread at all????

Funny how the ones that are thinking, shut up and get over and leave it lie are the ones posting up for others to do it and themselves not heeding their own advice.

If the threads and the reasons of the banning don't matter to YOU then why bother with it. Now how would you feel if you were the one who pointed out the issue and therefore got banned for it??? Would that matter to you then???? Would you not think you had been wronged in some way??? Well what if noone else gave a crap about what you had NOT done to get banned. And noone cared if you came or went???

It's too easy for people these days to say..... "mehhhh It don't affect me, so I'm not gonna get involved" And that's why the corruption and the deceit grow so rapidly. Until all of a sudden its so large that it DOES affect you now and now that you have turned your back on everyone else and not cared you have noone around backing you up.

Just so you know.... I know squat about Rogue... and even less about BE.... But I'm not the person who is going to roll over and say... "It don't matter to me" when someone is wronged.

I've gotten in the face of more than one person in my life to explain to them that what they were doing was unethical as well as against the law/rule/tos/etc. And I had no dog in the fight to start with.

But justice and fair treatment is something that should ALWAYS MATTER TO EVERYONE!!!! If it don't to you.... then roll over, go back to sleep and keep your nose on your face.

DM

[txrabbit]

have to agree with DM on this, not that my opinion is going to matter, seeing as how i'm not a mod. over the past couple of weeks, it does appear that some of the mods have strayed from their jobs as moderators. why would a mod stop doing his job to argue with members? why would one member get banned for "flaming" another member, when some would say that both were guilty of flaming? rogue shouldn't have been banned for pointing out that the mods aren't doing their job. BE shouldn't have been banned for "flaming" rabid. yeah, it was only a light one-week tap from the banstick, but still. it's the principal of it all. by banning rogue, one can make the assumption that by pointing out that certain mods aren't cutting the mustard, you're gonna be banned.
think off all the things that rogue and BE have done for the boards, and people that use them! think of all the great products rogue has brought, keeping the mag market alive. it's undeniable that persons of such high caliber are an asset to the sport, the company, and to these boards. both were always eager to answer any questions regarding the markers most of us love so much.
as far as deleting threads are concerned, what do the mods have to fear from other members, when they tote the all mighty ban stick? do they think that by deleting the threads, all of this will just go away? why not lock the threads so that the information is still there, but can't be added to? because these threads were deleted, they've opened the door to all the persons that think that they'll endear themselves to the wronged by throwing themselves on the cross, if you will. personally, i think that the deleted threads should be restored, but locked.

[Dend78]

good stuff DM, pick him apart all you want he is right there

[Hexis]

Silly trivial issues with an internet forum are hardly world issues.

Personally it does effect me, not in a banning way, but in a flurry-of-useless-cruft polluting the forum. Please just stop. You are not going to create any change. In a very real sense, your options are: to live with it, or go elsewhere.

[Lohman446]

So it's a pointless debate??? Much like the rest of the worlds issues I would say.

Wait... what?

Did you just honestly compare this message board whining to more serious issues that acutally mean something? Or to matters of public safety?

Are you serious?

[drg]

Silly trivial issues with an internet forum are hardly world issues.

Personally it does effect me, not in a banning way, but in a flurry-of-useless-cruft polluting the forum. Please just stop. You are not going to create any change. In a very real sense, your options are: to live with it, or go elsewhere.

Hear HEAR. Your manic bloviating has grown tiresome. You get in people's faces whose business you have no part in? That makes you a jackass.

[DevilMan]

Wait... what?

Did you just honestly compare this message board whining to more serious issues that acutally mean something? Or to matters of public safety?

Are you serious?

Yes Yes I did. Why??? Because this is the WORLD. We are all part of it. What happens here and what is expressed on this board is a direct reflection of what we are to the world. Now if for instance you are a poser and a fake. Then that my friend is on you. However for those of us here that carry ourselves OFF the web like we carry ON the web then it's a reflection of our true selves.

How is that related to REAL world issues? Simple. Would you go to a doctor for heart surgery if the previous week/month you found that same doctor talking online about how he makes more money when the patient dies than when they live.... Would you not think that may AFFECT your outcome? The WEB is NOT FAKE. It's VERY much real. It can be fantasized and it can be used to hide a transform ones true self into a being more likable and lovable. However, the people that do that are only lieing to themselves.

Hypothetical again for you. You want to take a trip. You research online and find someone who will take you on that trip. You make the plans and you show up for a flight up into the mountains somewhere. You're in a great mood because it's going to be a great fly fishing trip!!! You get there and you go get loaded up and everything and the pilot of the helo gets in and starts jackin up all kinds of things before finally getting to a very rough and unnerving lift off. You being white as a sheet and about to crap yourself bite your tongue. As you are finally having to breathe you ask the pilot if he knew what he was doing and again how long he'd been flying because on the WEB he told you that he'd done this trip 8 years straight!!!! And now he tells ya that he just got his license yesterday and this was the first flight he'd ever done... Now how would you feel?

A tangent??? Yes very much so. The point being made??? Be true to who you are and do what's right. Don't lie to yourself and you won't be so easily convinced to lie to other people. Follow the rules that you agree to follow with the expectation that those around you that have also agreed to follow them will do the same. If you don't AGREE with the rule then by all means don't AGREE to follow it. But when you agree to follow the stated rules, then those around you that have also agreed should be held accountable for their breaking of the rules.

This way of life and train of thought applies to REAL LIFE as much as it applies to WEB LIFE.

DM