Carry Concealed on College Campuses?

[Southpaw]

Interesting poll from MSNBC I wonder how AO is

https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27706201

Please keep answers to yes or no

EDIT

46% yes

54% no

This is the last i checked on MSNBC

[pmstc]

College student here - YES PLEASE!!!!!

[LegumeOfTerror]

id like my right to defend myself to extend past the magic barrier of the UCF campus. i always have to leave my handgun at home and rely on my pocket knife.

[DanMan]

If i was armed and and responding to a situation and the police arrived i would instantly disarm my self (with in reason) let the police take over. No confusion.

[spwz99]

In my heart I want to vote yes, but I see so many reasons why universities would continue to ban concealed carry. I don't know what the age restriction is elsewhere, but here in Missouri you have to be 23 to apply for a concealed carry license, so its a non-issue for most students.

Personally, I know that I have grown up around guns and know enough about how to safely handle them and trust myself to not do something stupid. On the other hand, I have two friends who I would never trust with a firearm because they are immature, and think having a gun makes them cool. So I see both sides of the issue. Many college age guys are just not mature enough to have a concealed carry license (at all, let alone on campus).

:I need the facepalm smiley from PBN:

as of my posting 52% voted Yes on msnbc.com.

[Hilltop Customs]

I dont think the average college student has a responsible enough demeanor to carry a concealed handgun. I'd love the ability to carry and protect myself, but IMO the additional risk stemming from the dumbasses I see everyday being able to carry would far outweigh the benefit of my self protection. So I would say NO, even though I would LIKE the ability to carry for myself and for anyone else that could responsibly carry a concealed weapon.

While there may be plenty of people who would be extremely safe, theres no way to let them carry while weeding out the idiotic people who would pull on account of a simple fight that could be ended with words or just walked away from.

This doesnt even go into the idiots who would carry without enough experience with the weapon....which on a campus would be a lot of people.




media rant incoming:
god I hate the news, burried deep within the report lies the real problem "In the aftermath of highly publicized deadly shootings on college campuses"

They even say the statistic, "At least 13 college students have been killed on campuses so far this year. From 2000 to 2005, the national average was four." 4 people per year, and it gets this kind of attention? Yes, 13 is an increase, but that is still just a drop in the bucket compared to other ways students die. How about alcohol poisoning, drug overdose, suicide, DUI, or any of the other much more significant death rates which demand less national media attention?

Is it just the fact that people who have nothing to do with the shooter die? Is that what makes school shootings so scary? If thats the case, what about all the people who die because someone else drinks and drives? I'm sure those numbers average higher than 4 people per year.

Hell, I wonder how many people die from food poisoning from on-campus food per year....

/ I'm just tired of the media airing this crap and making it more likely to happen again. Just telling people that they need more protection on campuses is so freaking stupid.....its just scare tactics. Find something better to report.




edit: doh beat by spwz99.

[maxama10]

In my heart I want to vote yes, but I see so many reasons why universities would continue to ban concealed carry. I don't know what the age restriction is elsewhere, but here in Missouri you have to be 23 to apply for a concealed carry license, so its a non-issue for most students.

Personally, I know that I have grown up around guns and know enough about how to safely handle them and trust myself to not do something stupid. On the other hand, I have two friends who I would never trust with a firearm because they are immature, and think having a gun makes them cool. So I see both sides of the issue. Many college age guys are just not mature enough to have a concealed carry license (at all, let alone on campus).

:I need the facepalm smiley from PBN:

as of my posting 52% voted Yes on msnbc.com.

How many of these idiots you mention would get a concealed carry if just this changed (allowing carrying on campus)? Most of these immature people you mention could already get a CCW anyways if they are of age so is it really an issue? I just don't see where it makes a difference on a college campus versus else where. I also would tend to think these people you describe would not be the type to get a CCW anyways.

Am I missing something here?

[Hilltop Customs]

population density of idiots tends to be higher on campus. Idiots interacting with other idiots can lead to fights....fights when people happen to be carrying weapons have a higher chance of leading to serious injury/death.

I'd be less worried about on campus related incidents, and more worried about bar/ surrounding area related. If people can carry a weapon on campus they will be more likely to carry it with them everywhere....including downtown or even into bars where dumbass fights are more likely to break out.

Its not really that they are idiots, its that they are arrogant and dont know how to back down from an incident. It has more to do with responsibility, not intelligence.

Even if allowing guns on campuses magically stopped all "crazy school shooters", how many additional deaths will be created from accidents and fight related shootings? weigh the two against each other. I really think death rate would increase if more guns were allowed on campus, because in reality campuses are extremely safe right now....no how much the media trys to convince us otherwise.

oh, I never got my permit yet simply because I know that 90% of the time I'm out I'll end up on campus....so its basically pointless for now.

[pmstc]

I dont think the average college student has a responsible enough demeanor to carry a concealed handgun.

I dont think the average criminal has a responsible enough demeanor to carry a concealed handgun.

[sandfreestyle]

What makes a campus, or stadium for that matter, any different than say a park or a movie theater? If you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon, and have a permit for it, through a mall or in a restraunt why can't I take it to school with me?

[Hilltop Customs]

What makes a campus, or stadium for that matter, any different than say a park or a movie theater? If you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon, and have a permit for it, through a mall or in a restraunt why can't I take it to school with me?

I agree with that completely, I dont agree with the whole idea of linking it to school shootings in an attempt to scare people into arming themselves for protection against something that is of an insignificant risk.

When I started my first post I put basically the same thing you said sandfreestyle...."what makes a campus different from anywhere else?"....but it was getting too long so I deleted it along with the whole explanation paragraph.

[sandfreestyle]

HC - haha I didn't ready every post cause some were to long. LOL

Plus, when you do have a permit you are held to a higher standard than every other citizen. You are considered a peace officer and have the right and ability to "arrest" someone, but once the paid cops get there you are done and have no further say in things.

[neppo1345]

We're trying...

Over the past several months there have been roughly 14-15 crimes against students near campus where the assailant has produced/implied a firearm.

I feel safe on campus, but would like the ability to defend myself while walking the 6 blocks back to my house after/before class. Right now the concealed carry law is stopping me from doing this unless I want to become a felon.

An excerpt from the latest 'campus crime email' we get whenever there is a crime on/near campus:

The Cincinnati Police Department has provided UC Police with information of two robberies that have occurred in the area around campus.

Incident #1 occurred on 11/08/08 at 7:00pm in the 2300 block of Moerlien Avenue. The victim, a UC student, was sitting on her back porch when two suspects approached her. The suspects implied that they had a firearm and demanded her property. She gave them her purse which had her phone, cash and car keys inside. The suspects are described as black males, 20-25 years old, 6'00", 180 lbs., wearing black coats with fur about the hood.

Incident #2 occurred on 11/11/08 at 11:30pm in the 3200 block of Bishop Street. The victim, a UC student, was sitting in her vehicle when a suspect entered the vehicle, displayed a handgun and demanded money. The victim gave the suspect her purse with her wallet, I-Pod, currency and other items inside. Suspect #1 is described as a black male, 16 years of age, 5'05"-5'06", thin build, wearing a black bubble coat, dark pants, and a black knit cap with a red strip. Suspect #2 is described as a black male, 16 years of age, 5'06"-5'07", thin build, wearing a black bubble coat.

This is just the latest of about 8 emails since September (each containing multiple crimes) that I have received from the university.

[grEnAlEins]

60-40 in favor in this thread, 58-42 in favor on MSNCC page at time of this post.

I have no issue with anyone who is qualified to carry actually doing so anywhere.

[maxama10]

60-40 in favor in this thread, 58-42 in favor on MSNCC page at time of this post.

I have no issue with anyone who is qualified to carry actually doing so anywhere.

I guess that was my line of thinking, if you're serious enough to go through with getting your permit you're probably not immature, and those who act immature probably really only pretend, how many of those people do you know that act like a fool in a group but one on one aren't so bad. Idk just some factless opinions.