Gutter ball for "Bowling for Columbine"! (long)

[Collegeboy]

Re: CB

Originally posted by CasingBill
Are you actually trying to infer that you are not a liberal? Every post you are on the same side of the issue. The LEFT side. It always seems to be the same like-minded people basically against you.

BTW how do you qualify to shoot someone by shooting someone? Do you mean our military personnel are not qualified until they shoot someone? Then what is all the training for? You are supposed to train,train,train and train again in hopes that when the time comes you will be able to fall back on your training. What you said makes no sense.
If the intruder has a gun and I have a gun you are right its a 50/50 chance. IF he has a gun and I don't, I have no chance. If I have a gun and he doesn't, well then......

In the words of Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf...It's God's job to forgive...it's our job to arrange the meeting!

The left side, what issues is that.

Is it left to say that people should use common sense when dealing with protecting your family?

Read my response to Shartly to understand what I am saying.

If he has a gun and you don't, you are not going to force him into shooting you, for you are not forcing him into a life and death situation.

I am proud of what I am, I just try and make sure people know what I am, an what I am not.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I know the psychological issues that you have to go through as a cop when you have shot someone. My cousin had to unfortunately kill a man last month that was trying to commit suicide by cop. They did everything they could to stop him, but when he fires at the cops that was the last straw. He is still a total wreck at times, and his therapy is intense.

You said that if someone was to come in your house and threaten your family with a gun then you would in the end use your gun to remove the man, either through killing, or try and get him to leave. But when you are forced into a situation of you have a gun and he has a gun, you are forcing him to either kill you or you kill him. That will lead to a 50% chance. Given you go through the above motions you mentioned the person would already know where you are at, so surprise isn't an issue.

No ones knows what they are going to do until they are in that situation. No amount of practice of shooting paper targets can prepare a person for what they have to do to shot a person. I have heard too many cases of people freezing up with a gun to trust a person with my life unless I know they have already shot someone. Now is that saying that a person who hasn't shot anyone can not shot someone, no, but you never know, that is why I don't trust them.

[CasingBill]

All I am saying is that it seems obvious that you have a liberal bend. It seemed as if you were trying to deny it. If you are a liberal then you should just say so. Just like I am a right-winger. I just don't agree with most everything you say and the premise on which you base most of your arguments. Like on War and guns. Thats all.

[shartley]

Re: Re: CB

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If he has a gun and you don't, you are not going to force him into shooting you, for you are not forcing him into a life and death situation.

This is totally wrong. If you can IDENTIFY the intruder you are a threat. Botched robberies have often lead to the death of the home owner, and few of them involved the home owner having a gun.


I stand by my last comments in my above post...

[1stdeadeye]

Fool!

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I know the psychological issues that you have to go through as a cop when you have shot someone. My cousin had to unfortunately kill a man last month that was trying to commit suicide by cop. They did everything they could to stop him, but when he fires at the cops that was the last straw. He is still a total wreck at times, and his therapy is intense.

No, you don't know it. You have seen the results of it. Do not insult your cousin by pretending to "know" what he is going through.

You said that if someone was to come in your house and threaten your family with a gun then you would in the end use your gun to remove the man, either through killing, or try and get him to leave. But when you are forced into a situation of you have a gun and he has a gun, you are forcing him to either kill you or you kill him. That will lead to a 50% chance. Given you go through the above motions you mentioned the person would already know where you are at, so surprise isn't an issue.

FOOL! There are an infinite number of scenarios for what you just said. We don't live in the wild west. These shootings are the exception, not the rule! Criminals by and large are a cowardly lot. If you both have guns, more likly then not, the criminal will realize that they no longer have the advantage and FLEE! You seem to think that killing someone is easy for anyone to do. It is not. The criminal that enters your home with murder on his mind will not be deterred by your bat. My Glock 17 pointed at his chest though will probably give him pause. For effect, I could also rack my Mossberg 590. I load it with #7 shot. I can basically point it down the stairs and kill anything coming up them without ever exposing myself. With my shotgun, the odds are 100% in my favor!

No ones knows what they are going to do until they are in that situation. No amount of practice of shooting paper targets can prepare a person for what they have to do to shot a person. I have heard too many cases of people freezing up with a gun to trust a person with my life unless I know they have already shot someone. Now is that saying that a person who hasn't shot anyone can not shot someone, no, but you never know, that is why I don't trust them.

Exactly! YOU don't know. You assume. You know what happens when you assume CB?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


1de, na but I have a roommate that you can.

And how does your roommate feel about you?!?

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Is the entire city of San Francisco, which is known to be a liberal place, full of immature people despite the fact that it is the west coast financial center?

Yes, it is.

[Collegeboy]

You are right 1de I do not Know (The capital is on purpose) what my cousin is going through, I understand it though.

Lets play out a situation. The robber has a gun and you have a gun. What is likely to happen? Everyone play it out and post your response.

I am not saying what you should and shouldn't do, it is your choice what you do. All I am doing is trying to show that sometimes a gun is not the best thing, which we agree, but we disagree when it is the best thing.

And there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, if I was one, I would proudly state it. But I am not a liberal, so I will not insult those liberals by saying I am one. You are right I have a liberal slant to my thinking, it is like -.05 on the scale, but it isn't enough for me to consider myself a liberal.

[CasingBill]

Fair Enough

Compared to me you are a liberal

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
You are right 1de I do not Know (The capital is on purpose) what my cousin is going through, I understand it though.

It is your opinion that you understand it. Unless you have killed someone, you can't really know it!

Lets play out a situation. The robber has a gun and you have a gun. What is likely to happen? Everyone play it out and post your response.

Again, you are making assumptions. If someone were to break into my house, my dog would attack them. When I was to hear his barking, I would take my shotgun out of the vault and rack it! I would then go to the top of the stairs, lay down and aim down them. I WOULD NOT LOOK FOR A GUN NOR WAIT TO SEE IF THE INTRUDER WERE ARMED! If after hearing me rack the Mossberg and being attacked by my dog, anyone who approached the landing to come up the stairs would die! I would cut them in two with a round of #7 shot from about 10 yards away! Will this ever happen, NO! First off, as I said, criminals are cowards. My dog alone will most likely scare them off. The sound of the shotgun being chambered should scare them off. If they are still coming, then they are not your typical burglar who wants to get in adn get out quickly with some loot. The average burglar wants to avoid a confrontation at all costs. I would be forced to assume that this intruder means to do my family harm and then BLAM! No more intruder. Yes, CB I have never killed anyone. However,, if I felt you were a threat to my children, I'd kill you with my bare hands and not think twice about it. After I dispatched the intruder with the 590, I'd then check them for weapons. If unarmed, I'd give them a knife from the butcher's block and think no more about that scumbag who got what they deserved. Also CB, if you think any parent would not kill to protect their children you really are a fool. Look at mother nature. Defending you children is programed into all of God's creatures!

I am not saying what you should and shouldn't do, it is your choice what you do. All I am doing is trying to show that sometimes a gun is not the best thing, which we agree, but we disagree when it is the best thing.

Yes, you are trying to say what we should do. Please re-read your own posts!

And there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, if I was one, I would proudly state it. But I am not a liberal, so I will not insult those liberals by saying I am one. You are right I have a liberal slant to my thinking, it is like -.05 on the scale, but it isn't enough for me to consider myself a liberal.

That scale seems about right when we stack you next to Walter Mondale!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife

Yes, it is.

I knew you would rise to that challenge!!!

...but you must admit that San Francisco is a wonderful place and one of the gems of the nation! You MUST admit that I tell you!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


I knew you would rise to that challenge!!!

...but you must admit that San Francisco is a wonderful place and one of the gems of the nation! You MUST admit that I tell you!

You betcha! Where else can you buy a rundown nast bungalow for $500,000.00? You have a very corrupt mayor, and the ENTIRE senior leadership of the city police department under indictment for obstruction of justice. Why? Because the Deputy Chief's son(a cop) beat up some kid to take his TACO BELL! Come on that is one fruity city! In NY or Philly the cop wouldn't beat you up for less then a pizza!

[CasingBill]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


You betcha! Where else can you buy a rundown nast bungalow for $500,000.00? You have a very corrupt mayor, and the ENTIRE senior leadership of the city police department under indictment for obstruction of justice. Why? Because the Deputy Chief's son(a cop) beat up some kid to take his TACO BELL! Come on that is one fruity city! In NY or Philly the cop wouldn't beat you up for less then a pizza!

San Fran is "fruity"....you got that right!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


You betcha! Where else can you buy a rundown nast bungalow for $500,000.00? You have a very corrupt mayor, and the ENTIRE senior leadership of the city police department under indictment for obstruction of justice. Why? Because the Deputy Chief's son(a cop) beat up some kid to take his TACO BELL! Come on that is one fruity city! In NY or Philly the cop wouldn't beat you up for less then a pizza!

I'm impressed 1de. You got your ear to the ground to know about the taco scandal. Of course that probably just means you are a busy body. Real estate value has come down quite a bit but depending on location that estimate of value on that bungalow is probably still a bit low!

But come on! Anyone has to admit that San Francisco is a very enlightened place with enlightened and educated people. Just ask them! Alright I'll stop hijacking this thread. My point was just that because the entire west coast might have a different view than FactsofLife does not mean we are immature etc.

[1stdeadeye]

Not buying it!

Originally posted by aaron_mag


I'm impressed 1de. You got your ear to the ground to know about the taco scandal. Of course that probably just means you are a busy body. Real estate value has come down quite a bit but depending on location that estimate of value on that bungalow is probably still a bit low!

But come on! Anyone has to admit that San Francisco is a very enlightened place with enlightened and educated people. Just ask them! Alright I'll stop hijacking this thread. My point was just that because the entire west coast might have a different view than FactsofLife does not mean we are immature etc.

The Taco Bell thing made national headlines. It is a joke. My bank has offices out there and I been there a few times. The city is overpriced, overtaxed, over run with nuts, etc... The mayor, he could screw up a wet dream! Nice Wharf, some nice buildings, but I'll take DC, Baltimore, Philly, Atlanta, New Orleans (BEST CITY IN AMERICA!! HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE A CITY WHERE OPEN BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE NOT ONLY LEGAL, BUT ENCOURAGED! ), NY, Boston, Miami, KC, or Chicago over San Fran! I would however pick San Fran over LA. LA is one messed up city!!!!