Gutter ball for "Bowling for Columbine"! (long)

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


No one is saying you should rely on the police for everything. All I am saying is that a gun for the "protection" of your family is not the best weapon IMO to use. For its risk outweigh its benefits.

I am not passing judgments, but by the replies I get towards me, a lot of people are passing judgments on me.

- The right to own firearms is protected by the Constitution.

- The right to NOT own firearms is also a right of each citizen.

- Each person must determine FOR THEMSELVES what is best for them, their families, and their exact situation.

[Xerces]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THAT??

ok, so you're not liberal, you don't want guns banned, yet you argue furiously over it for no reason(claiming you want everyone to see both sides of the story doesn't cut it, find a new excuse).

by reading what you post i see a picture in my head of someone knifing another guy in the stomach and saying murder is wrong at the same time. when people are trying to sort out the grey area, adding your nebulous views doesn't help.

[aaron_mag]

Shartley-

I'm not disagreeing that having a problem with other people packing guns in their cars may be a personal problem. Even a personal paranoia that I may be the victim of road rage etc (heck with the way I drive I of course I'm afraid) .

When my father told me he carried a gun in his car and had taken the classes for a concealed weapons permit it made me MORE afraid rather than less afraid. I partially wondered at his complete sanity even though he is an intelligent individual and a capable business man. I couldn't help but wonder why a man who had never been mugged felt the need to protect himself from some unseen enemy. This was all before a incident that I will relate below.

On the reverse side my father and brother are constantly trying to give me a gun for my house because they think that not having one in the home is foolish.

Now I will tell a story that totally supports your side. My father had rental properties and he rented to a young man who turned out to be a problem. Eventually he had to get him evicted and predictably the guy called him and threatened him. My father informed the former renter that he was welcome to try whatever he wanted but that he should know that he (my father) was a gun collecter and had plenty of protection. Soon after that same former renter shot and killed someone over an altercation in a park, broke into a daycare and kidnapped a little girl, and after a high speed chase was taken out by police snipers (little girl was saved). My dad always uses that example at how the deterrent of a guns can prevent a situation from ever developing (since the former renter was afraid of my father's gun arsenal).

Totally true story and supports exactly what 1de, Shartley, and Army are saying. Still doesn't make me any less paranoid about people packing heat but is an interesting case study.

[shartley]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Shartley-

I'm not disagreeing that having a problem with other people packing guns in their cars may be a personal problem. Even a personal paranoia that I may be the victim of road rage etc (heck with the way I drive I of course I'm afraid) .

When my father told me he carried a gun in his car and had taken the classes for a concealed weapons permit it made me MORE afraid rather than less afraid. I partially wondered at his complete sanity even though he is an intelligent individual and a capable business man. I couldn't help but wonder why a man who had never been mugged felt the need to protect himself from some unseen enemy. This was all before a incident that I will relate below.

On the reverse side my father and brother are constantly trying to give me a gun for my house because they think that not having one in the home is foolish.

Now I will tell a story that totally supports your side. My father had rental properties and he rented to a young man who turned out to be a problem. Eventually he had to get him evicted and predictably the guy called him and threatened him. My father informed the former renter that he was welcome to try whatever he wanted but that he should know that he (my father) was a gun collecter and had plenty of protection. Soon after that same former renter shot and killed someone over an altercation in a park, broke into a daycare and kidnapped a little girl, and after a high speed chase was taken out by police snipers (little girl was saved). My dad always uses that example at how the deterrent of a guns can prevent a situation from ever developing (since the former renter was afraid of my father's gun arsenal).

Totally true story and supports exactly what 1de, Shartley, and Army are saying. Still doesn't make me any less paranoid about people packing heat but is an interesting case study.

[Collegeboy]

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
At least that is what the experts, the police, say to do.

With all due respect to the GOOD members of the law enforcement community, I don't trust them to do anything other then give traffic tickets

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I think you are reading more into what I am saying, where do you get that I am a liberal.

The fact that YOU refuse to admit you're liberal is immaterial.

Criminals don't admit they're criminals either.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, there's a damned good chance it's a duck.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


The fact that YOU refuse to admit you're liberal is immaterial.

Criminals don't admit they're criminals either.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, there's a damned good chance it's a duck.

Alrighty then, what makes me a liberal. Post my beliefs that make me a liberal.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


The fact that YOU refuse to admit you're liberal is immaterial.

Criminals don't admit they're criminals either.

Using criminals to explain liberals? I resent that comparison... By the way any decent liberal would call myself and probably CB middle americans/liberal posers who have betrayed the cause. So CB is right that he is not a leftist. Pun intended...

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Alrighty then, what makes me a liberal. Post my beliefs that make me a liberal.

Don't be an idiot.

I'm smart enough to comprehend what you've posted here on AO.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


Using criminals to explain liberals? I resent that comparison... By the way any decent liberal would call myself and probably CB middle americans/liberal posers who have betrayed the cause. So CB is right that he is not a leftist. Pun intended...

Nope, not buyin that one.

The fact that most liberals think THEY are the middle of the roaders is a joke.

The fact that they think conservatives are all extremeists is also a joke.

What cBoy fails to understand is that the majority of this country is conservative to a large degree.

That crackfest known as the 60's is long since over and the dope smoking, fm radio listening types that thought they were dictating policy for the so called mainstream of this country are about as far out of reality as they can get.

The fact that they refuse to grow up and take responsibility for their own lives, i.e. let the cops handle everything, and the government owes me, is a serious shortcoming and breeds the exact kind of mentality towards life that cBoy shows.

[aaron_mag]

I don't want to hijack this thread but to say people refuse to grow up because of their political beliefs is ridiculous. Despite the fact that they have jobs, pay taxes, raise children, etc the fact that they have different political beliefs than others means they haven't grown up? Is the entire city of San Francisco, which is known to be a liberal place, full of immature people despite the fact that it is the west coast financial center?

There I am done now.

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Alrighty then, what makes me a liberal. Post my beliefs that make me a liberal.

Once again you insult us by "demanding" that we give you proof on something. The typical childish, "I know you are, but what am I?" response. Yet... almost every post of yours in this thread is riddled with hypotheticals, conjecture and what ifs.... as in, "Chances are..." "More than likely..." and so on.

Your question has been answered in more ways and by better MEN than you could ever hope to be. IF and WHEN you step out into the real world, instead of your sheltered college life, and get your eyes opened by the cold realities that alot of us deal with on a daily basis, MAYBE THEN you will begin to understand. Personally.... I seriously doubt it.

DW

[1stdeadeye]

Huh?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I actually think we are sort of arguing on the same side a little bit Shartley we just don't know it. I have said that I would not trust anyone with protecting me with a gun unless they have training in and have actually shot someone. Now you think that shooting paper targets and learning about a gun teaches you to be able to not freeze up when the target is a living breathing person trying to kill you, I don't think that training will prepare you for that.

Since the majority if not most the people in the country has never shot anyone, I find it not wise for them to use a gun for protection.

But if you are trained in it and have shot a person I find it wise for you to use a gun.

Well I have been trained very well by some extremely qualified teachers. Heck one of my clients does training for the CIA and the State Department. He let me attend a whole series of classes on firearms and self defense. Only thing is, I have never shot anyone. Hey CB you volunteering?

You know that this post makes abosolutely NO SENSE! My uncle, my cousin and one of my best friends are all police officers. They are well trained. My uncle has been decorated many times. None of them however has ever shot someone. I guess that makes them unqualified in your eyes!

Please think about how stupid this post makes you look.

Hey Sam, you were a cop. How many people did you shoot? None, well I guess you too are unqualified!

[aaron_mag]

Re: Huh?

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Well I have been trained very well by some extremely qualified teachers. Heck one of my clients does training for the CIA and the State Department. He let me atten a whole series of classes on firearms and sel defense. Only thing is, I have never shot anyone. Hey CB you volunteering?

More bad taste comments . You yourself admit that you usually go ten steps beyond bad taste then you have the gall to come onto this board and ask us why your wife is so sensitive? You never did tell us EXACTLY what you said that got her miffed. We probably would have felt she was justified.

Just kidding around with you. Most people probably don't remember the post I am referring to....