Gutter ball for "Bowling for Columbine"! (long)

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Rooster
"Why didn't you call the cops like you was suppose to, it doesn't (or shouldn't) cost anything for cops to come investigate a call you make, now a false security alarm is something else. Why did you take it one yourself to find out what is going on. That is the job of the cops. If you would have done what you was suppose to do then you wouldn't have needed a gun. The gun means you now feel "safe" or all mighty, to the point were you can take actions which you shouldn't do all the while putting your life on the line."

So if three men were raping a woman, you would go call the cops? I feel sorry for you. You have a long time to live in the screwed up little reality you've created for yourself. I couldn't live with myself if I thought like you. If I can stop peopl from doing harm to other s I will. And I will protect my family and friends with deadly force. That is my responsibility as a man. A child does not have those responsibilities. A child should run away to go call the police, and then wait thirty minutes for them to arive to clean up the crime scene and take photographs of the bodies.

There is a difference from a breaking in of your business and a rape. If I saw a rape happening I would call the cops and then go beat the living crap out of the guys.

Your responsibility as a man is to protect your family and make sure they are safe. If you think pulling a gun on an armed man is protecting your family that is your choice. I find it putting them at danger.

Casingbill, what do you mean as a gun owner it is your responsibilities to step forward. What does having a gun mean your should step forward?

[Xerces]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


There is a difference from a breaking in of your business and a rape. If I saw a rape happening I would call the cops and then go beat the living crap out of the guys.

Your responsibility as a man is to protect your family and make sure they are safe. If you think pulling a gun on an armed man is protecting your family that is your choice. I find it putting them at danger.

Casingbill, what do you mean as a gun owner it is your responsibilities to step forward. What does having a gun mean your should step forward?

ok, so waht youre saying is, letting her be raped is a more attractive alternative than preventing the rape from ever happening?

and how is pulling a gun on an armed man making it unsafe? because you ahve a gun means he is more likely to shoot at them? hardly.

i say we follow sweden's lead, thier violent crime rates aren't very high, and the main reason is just about everyone over 18 has a fully loaded assault rifle under thier bed. i would venture to say that is pretty effective.

[CasingBill]

sorry to break away

xerces...that sig is awesome!!!!

now...back to the thread

[1stdeadeye]

Look at me!

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I could care less what 1de does, I just consider the source

Oh look, I am officially one of CollegeBoy's sources now! Hmmm what devious right wing conspiracy can I sell to him now....

Casing Bill,
How the hell did you get a concealed carry permit in Jersey? They are impossible to get unless you are a retired police officer. Don't tell me that you are using a New York permit. Jersey doesn't respect or acknowledge New York or PA permits.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Xerces


ok, so waht youre saying is, letting her be raped is a more attractive alternative than preventing the rape from ever happening?

and how is pulling a gun on an armed man making it unsafe? because you ahve a gun means he is more likely to shoot at them? hardly.

i say we follow sweden's lead, thier violent crime rates aren't very high, and the main reason is just about everyone over 18 has a fully loaded assault rifle under thier bed. i would venture to say that is pretty effective.

Where did I say the first thing, I remember saying I will go beat their butts.

If you pull a gun on an armed man you have just made it where one of you will be killed, and if it is you then your family is dead more then likely. Not protecting them in my book.

[CasingBill]

no carry permit

I don't have a carry permit in NJ..just NY. After much research, speaking with local police, county police, and the firearms bureau in trenton the overall conclusion was that with my ny permit I could transport in my vehicle as long as it was locked in a case ammo seperate and in the trunk. Once to my place of business as long as it was a legally owned gun I could then carry on my person since I was on private property. Specifically the trooper at fireams bureau said i could cut my grass with a shotgun over my shoulder and my pistol on my side and it would be legal.
Now...it took a lot of investigating to get that answer. That was about 5 years ago. Several of the local police(one who is my security guard) have said that they did not see any problem with that as long as the gun checked out. If you know something different I would be very interested in finding out. I did not try to get a carry permit because everyone said it was impossible. If someone knows of someone else I should talk to please let me know. I know it is something that shouldn't be taken lightly and like I said I did a lot of investigating before making a decision.

[1stdeadeye]

Okay advice!

I think their advice to you was pretty close. I have a Firearms card in NJ which allows me to purchase or transport a firearm the same way you must. In a seperate locked portion of the car, unloaded of course. As for taking them inside you business, I don't know. Cutting you grass with them will bring a SWAT team to your home REAL fast in NJ!

[CasingBill]

Thanks

I appreciate the advice. The mowing lawn was the scenario used by the trooper at the firearms bureau. Obviously I took that with a grain of salt. I am going to research it again. I kept all of my contacts and phone records from the first time. Although I'm not that organized and hopefully I will be able to find them. I thought that originally I would at the very least need a premises permit but since I was not a NJ resident I could not recieve one. This is why it was told to me that my NY carry permit would be honored as long as I was on my privately owned property...Thanks again. I am going to research it again. I'll be in S.Jersey on Monday. Look for me....I'll wave

[Army]

{grrr..I hate myself for posting again.)

If I saw a rape happening I would call the cops and then go beat the living crap out of the guys.

That's the difference between you and most of us. We would stop the crime, as an obligation to a helpless fellow human being, THEN call the Cops to clean up the bloody mess of two or three dead rapists. In all states, deadly force is allowed to stop rape, arson, sodomy(!), mortal injury to a person, or when YOU feel your life is threatened.

Since you live in Berkley, I'll give you a couple of truth teasers:

California Civil Code, section 50 provides:
Any necessary force may be used to protect from wrongful injury the person or property of oneself, or of a wife, husband, child, parent, or other relative, or member of one's family, or of a ward, servant, master, or guest.

California Penal Code, section 694 provides:
Any other person, in aid or defense of the person about to be injured, may make resistance sufficient to prevent that offense.

Got the "Any" parts? Here's the reason why:

Article I, Section 1 of the Constitution of the State of California clearly states that you have that right:
All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing safety, happiness, and privacy.

To wrap up this LAST POST OF MINE ON THE SUBJECT...

Warren v. District of Columbia: D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police from criminal and civil resposibility, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.

This ruling is referrenced by the US Supreme Court every time the subject comes to their bench.

THAT is why I keep loaded guns in my house. THAT is why I will kill any unwelcome intruder in my house. THAT is why I will FIRST stop the crime, and THEN call the Police. THAT is why I have trained my daughter and wife to shoot accurately, with no remorse. THAT is why I live in the USA, because I have the right, the ability, the responsibility, and the freedom to be my own force protection.

...and since you will never "get that", I won't respond to anymore of this thread.....BTW, Michael Moore is still an idiot, and a liar.

[CasingBill]

ZIP IT

zip,zip,zip...cb..you can't compete with that....zip,zzzzziiiippppppppp it

[Collegeboy]

[aaron_mag]

I don't know why anyone would get a concealed weapons permit. Even the president of the NRA Mr. Heston said that packing a firearm is a pain in the butt and just plain boring.

My dad had a concealed weapons permit for awhile (must be easier to get in Oregon than NJ and I never did understand it. I don't know if he still carries one in his car but I believe he still has one in his office (and my brother might as well). While I am not in favor of banning guns like CB the idea of all of us packing firearms in their cars and on our persons is a little disturbing. Feeling the need for a firearm in your car or on your person when you are not a police officer seems a little on the paranoid side.

[shartley]

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by aaron_mag

While I am not in favor of banning guns like CB

WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THAT??

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

No one is saying you should rely on the police for everything. All I am saying is that a gun for the "protection" of your family is not the best weapon IMO to use. For its risk outweigh its benefits.

I am not passing judgments, but by the replies I get towards me, a lot of people are passing judgments on me.