Gutter ball for "Bowling for Columbine"! (long)

[shartley]

[Collegeboy]

Americans act like they live everyday in fear from someone breaking in their house and trying to do harm to their family. Why is that? Why is it that Americans have to turn to a gun to protect their family when most of the world can use other things? Why is a gun so culturally accepted in the US but not in other countries?

To say that the criminal has more rights in the US then in other countries is an exaggeration. If you look at other countries especially GB you will find criminals suing their victims for harm the criminal got when breaking into the victims house and the criminal most of the time wins.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Americans act like they live everyday in fear from someone breaking in their house and trying to do harm to their family. Why is that? Why is it that Americans have to turn to a gun to protect their family when most of the world can use other things? Why is a gun so culturally accepted in the US but not in other countries?

To say that the criminal has more rights in the US then in other countries is an exaggeration. If you look at other countries especially GB you will find criminals suing their victims for harm the criminal got when breaking into the victims house and the criminal most of the time wins.

[Jack_Dubious]

my $.02

"Sure I've got a permit. It's called the Second Amendment." -Ted Nugent


JDub

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: THINK!

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


Once again, you prove to me that you have no idea how to debate.

"From what I heard" means that it may very well not be the truth. I didn't see the movie, therefore I said "From what I heard." So please, tell me how I made myself look foolish? Merely because I could not remember a quote?

First, in a debate, you debate facts!

Second all I did was list my favorite quote. What you took it to mean is your perception!

[1stdeadeye]

Hmmm

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Actually, the statistics came from a book called "Give a boy a gun" I didnt say it lasted only 3 years, but during that time span thats the number killed.

Read your post again. You said "Vietnam War, which lasted THREE years". Also as for facts, I'll take the FBI's over your book.

1stdeadeye, unless you were "kidding" by calling me junior ( ) I have just comepletely lost all respect towards you.


Hmmm, what does mean? Re-read my post!

Ok, to the point. Self defense? Phooie. If nobody had handguns we wouldnt have to defend ourselves against them would we? And if a person is stupid enough to break into a home unarmed, just stab them. lol. Point again, handguns are not necessary for any reason.

The point of any gun in self defense is not to have to use it. If you confront an intruder and point a gun at them, hopefully the deterrent effect of it will make them surrender or flee. Also, I am only 5'7". If I were confronted by a 6'5" intruder who had intention to injure myself or family during the course of his crime, a gun would be my best chance.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Did you know that more people in america were killed by handguns (33000 people) in ONE year, by other americans, than in the vietnam war, (30000) which lasted THREE years?

This was your exact quote!

[-=Squid=-]

OK, firstdeadeye, all of your points are valid and understood but your missing mine. If nobody has handguns, the chances of having to use one for defense are SO much more slim, and even in the few cases you must defend yourself via handgun, I could guaruntee you the ammount of deaths in the united states would go down. Also, your wife used a shotgun, not a semiautomatic pistol. Big difference there, and as I said before I feel that rifles are A OK because some people have the hobby of....rum tum tum..hunting. Owned.

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


This was your exact quote!

EEK...sorry about that. Anyways, lets say we still keep handguns. Just VERY tight restrictions on owning one so only intelligent people can have one? Which means you so you can be happy now eh? Still, wouldnt that reduce the number of deaths drastically? Or this, now dont quote me on this one, but in the comparison of deaths by handgun in the US and other countrys, I THINK it was britain, only had 143 or so deaths in one year?? Guess what..there is a law prohibiting handguns there.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-

EEK...sorry about that. Anyways, lets say we still keep handguns. Just VERY tight restrictions on owning one so only intelligent people can have one? Which means you so you can be happy now eh? Still, wouldnt that reduce the number of deaths drastically? Or this, now dont quote me on this one, but in the comparison of deaths by handgun in the US and other countrys, I THINK it was britain, only had 143 or so deaths in one year?? Guess what..there is a law prohibiting handguns there.

If "if's" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a party we'd have!

There are too many guns out there now to consider your choice. Pandora's box has been opened. You are not going to close it without a lot of blood.

As for your previous post, my sister in law is 4'11". She weighs maybe 90 pounds. She couldn't handle a shotgun if she tried. However her .38 LadySmith is prety much custom made for her.

Also with Britan, look at total deaths per 1000. That is how to make accurate comparrisons. Britan has higher per capita stabbings then the US. Should they ban knives?

Squid, I understand your meaning. I am simply stating that humans will find a way to kill each other. Whether with a gun, knife, brick or bow & arrow, murders will happen. You can't have the level of civil liberties that we enjoy without them. If you wish to give up all of your civil rights and move to Singapore, you can live in a crime free atmosphere, just remember to properly dispose of your gum to avoid that caning! It is a difficult trade off and that is why there are no easy answers to this issue.

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


If "if's" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a party we'd have!

There are too many guns out there now to consider your choice. Pandora's box has been opened. You are not going to close it without a lot of blood.

As for your previous post, my sister in law is 4'11". She weighs maybe 90 pounds. She couldn't handle a shotgun if she tried. However her .38 LadySmith is prety much custom made for her.

Also with Britan, look at total deaths per 1000. That is how to make accurate comparrisons. Britan has higher per capita stabbings then the US. Should they ban knives?

Squid, I understand your meaning. I am simply stating that humans will find a way to kill each other. Whether with a gun, knife, brick or bow & arrow, murders will happen. You can't have the level of civil liberties that we enjoy without them. If you wish to give up all of your civil rights and move to Singapore, you can live in a crime free atmosphere, just remember to properly dispose of your gum to avoid that caning! It is a difficult trade off and that is why there are no easy answers to this issue.

Well, I think I want to end this. NEither of us are going to say, "Oh, now I see, your right" so I will end it with this. I am not antigun. I only think there should be tight retrictions, and although we own some handguns, I still feel that the number of murders would drastically decrease if it were illegal to own one, I still am not antigun. So how about we just call it evn and quit arguing over it?

[Collegeboy]

If you carry around a gun in your house for the purpose of protecting your family or your belongings then you are indeed living in fear of something happening in which you have to "protect" them from.

If you felt safe, if you felt that no criminal would do harm to your family then you wouldn't need a gun for protection, simple as that.

So why do people in the US feel it is necessary to own a gun for protection when people in other countries don't think so.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If you carry around a gun in your house for the purpose of protecting your family or your belongings then you are indeed living in fear of something happening in which you have to "protect" them from.

If you felt safe, if you felt that no criminal would do harm to your family then you wouldn't need a gun for protection, simple as that.

So why do people in the US feel it is necessary to own a gun for protection when people in other countries don't think so.

[1stdeadeye]

Simple

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If you carry around a gun in your house for the purpose of protecting your family or your belongings then you are indeed living in fear of something happening in which you have to "protect" them from.

Those would be the paranoid people. I would avoid them at all costs if I were you!

If you felt safe, if you felt that no criminal would do harm to your family then you wouldn't need a gun for protection, simple as that.

So why do people in the US feel it is necessary to own a gun for protection when people in other countries don't think so.

Why? Because we can. We have the freedom and right to do so. In so many other countries, ordinary citizens are not afforded that right, so they don't have them. That simple. Maybe we should commission a poll asking how many of them would like one?

[1stdeadeye]

Fine by me!

Originally posted by -=Squid=-



Well, I think I want to end this. NEither of us are going to say, "Oh, now I see, your right" so I will end it with this.
That is the beauty of America, we can agree to disagree! We each have our views and opinions. This is fine by me.

I am not antigun. I only think there should be tight retrictions, and although we own some handguns, I still feel that the number of murders would drastically decrease if it were illegal to own one, I still am not antigun. So how about we just call it evn and quit arguing over it?

Yes you are anti-gun, you commie pinko!!

Can we agree to laugh at my rapier wit?