Gutter ball for "Bowling for Columbine"! (long)

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Army
3/4 of the world, has been under a King or some sort of Monarchy, that has always kept the commoners unarmed,for fear of insurection to the crown.

The crown has been well protected by it's very own personal army for many centuries, and crime was always punished by swift death, or the "dungeons". European mentality on personal safety has been to cower and/or run when confronted by evil people. The thought train has been; "The Kings men will save me, for I am unarmed and powerless to do anything to stop evil."

3/4 of the world STILL has this mentality when it comes to personal defense. Let's look at England...(again, sorry my Brit friends)...If you are confronted by an armed bad guy (knife, bootjack, club, doesn't matter), and you defend yourself to the point of physically harming that bad guy, YOU will be charged with assault! If you use anything that can be construed as a weapon, additional charges will be filed AGAINST YOU. Now, you tell me what incentive Europe has to defend themselves at all? (BTW, that scenario comes from a true case of an elderly gentleman beating the crap out of a hooligan with an umbrella, used like a sword, when he tried to rob the otherwise law-abiding gentleman.) England has laws that confiscated nearly all firearms, including most airguns, that have resulted in the rocketing crime rates they now enjoy, while our crime rates have steadily fallen as private gun ownership has risen.

THAT'S why America thinks differently from "the rest of the world" when it comes to personal defense. There's your answer, which requires no more questions from you. It's all spelled out completely, with no need to twist my words into the blather you enjoy posting.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I must measure the rooms in my house for firing lanes.

[nerobro]

Lets change the point of view. It appears (at least in the last few posts) that the arguement has been going towards the "why people SHOULD be allowed to have guns" argument.

Lets go the other way. Why shoudln't they be allowed to have firearms. Look at it this way. People who SHOULD have guns probally will buy them and keep them responcably. People who are scared of them, and don't like them, won't buy them on their own.

The biggest issue I see is the LACK of a properly armed populace. One guy with a gun, can turn any situation into one HE owns in this day and age. One gun on an airplane. One gun on a rail car. One gun in a corperate office. Heck, even one gun in a goverment office.

Making sure that there's less than one complete gun in any situation is a very very difficult deed. A much simpler task is to make sure you know you have at least one, preferably more guns in your control. Given the person who wants to do a bad deed knows this fact, and doesn't want to die, he will not use his wepon. Given he has decided that death is ok, he may get his job done, but he will also be removed from the gene pool. It would take time for this to work.... But eventually guns would no longer be the problem. IE countries like switzerland, or isreal.

Guns are only a problem if they are in the minority.

Now people seem to want to keep guns away to keep kids safe, beucase they'll do something bad with a gun. School shootings only happen with kids who haven't been brought up around guns. Or it's a teacher or parent or some other adult coming to the school to kill. Now if people were allowed to carry guns...... a person like that would be stopped before to many people were killed.

So many situations could be avoided if people were scared to use guns. Right now, you could brandish a firearm just about anywhere, expect to do what you wanted to do, before retaliation of some sort. Think about columbine, if the teachers were armed, the boys would have been stopped darned near imedately. The 9-11 airliners would have been stopped.

You can't get away with the kind of gun related violence that we see in the news if the guy next to you is armed.

Back on to the point I was trying to make though. The main arguements for peopel not being alowed to own guns seem to focus around the idea that they aren't responcable enough to handle a gun.

By that logic, becuase I might have a child in the house, I shouldn't be allowed to own any strong cleaning products; for fear of the child consuming them or their wastes. I shouldn't be allowed to have a basement or a seccond story; for fear I might let the child go down stairs or go up stairs and fall out a window, or fall down the same stairs they climed. I shouldn't be allowed to own a car becuase I might kill myself, my child, or another with it.

I'm not allowed to own a gun because I MIGHT kill someone with it. Look at the number of people murdered each year with a gun. Then look at the number of pedestrians killed in car accidents. I mention pedestrians becuase otherwise the comparison would be talking about gunfights, instead of accidental shootings. (we can never really solve murder.... people will always kill people. rocks, knives, chemicals, fists, garottes, nooses, what have you. We will find a way to kill each other.)

I don't mind needing to have a cheap[/free licence to own a gun. I think that's fair, given I need a licence to own a car.

I think I really needed an outline on this.... Maybe I didn't make to much sence here. (and these freaking small windows down't help)

Long story short, is that untill proven otherwise, you should be allowed to own a gun.

As for the comment that the rest of the world doesn't choose to guard their home with guns, go and try to break into a house anyhere in south america or aftrica. Or anywhere in the middle east for that matter. I'll garuntee you're met with the muzzle of some AK clone.

[Rooster]

"Why dont you actually read the whole thing before you pass judgement? Im not going to even remotely consider thinking over this reply which merely was written on a pick and choose basis, reading, remember, what you want to. The dumbest thing? Why dont you actually back up your immature comments by telling me WHY its the dumbest thing, rather than some off topic meaningless crowbar story? You never even said why it was "teh dumbest thing ever!!!1!1!" Why dont you be a little more thorough in your useless replies next time eh?"

Your ignorant post didn't deserve a more meaningful responce. This one doesn't either.

[Army]

Uh-Uh CB, I answered your original question a while ago, now I answered your edited question...just like everyone else has.

Do not call that my "opinion" either, what I wrote is fact. See? You did twist my words.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Army

Now, if you'll excuse me, I must measure the rooms in my house for firing lanes.

HOORAH!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Army
Uh-Uh CB, I answered your original question a while ago, now I answered your edited question...just like everyone else has.

Do not call that my "opinion" either, what I wrote is fact. See? You did twist my words.

Amen Army, amen! I think many of us have. My 5'6" wife versus a 6'5" intruder is all the reason I may ever need. Like was said earlier, God did not make men equal, Samuel Colt did!

Whether a 5' weakling or a 7' monster, a firearm is the only way to have a level field.

CB, if you could see past your need to argue, you would see that your question was answered many times over here.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Army
Uh-Uh CB, I answered your original question a while ago, now I answered your edited question...just like everyone else has.

Do not call that my "opinion" either, what I wrote is fact. See? You did twist my words.

My question has been the same since the begining I do beleive.

And no that is your opinion.

[shartley]

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


And no that is your opinion.

And WHERE exactly do you get your "facts"?

Oh yeah, wait! You "read" it somewhere, that's right.

[Collegeboy]

AH so I get it, you all don't really care what the person says just who says it.

What Army said was clearly an opinion. What I said above is my opinion. Easy as that.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
AH so I get it, you all don't really care what the person says just who says it.

What Army said was clearly an opinion. What I said above is my opinion. Easy as that.

Well here is a fact. Without a handgun, my 5'6" wife could not handle a 6'5" intruder. With that Glock, if I am not home, she can handle herself and protect our children. That damn simple!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Well here is a fact. Without a handgun, my 5'6" wife could not handle a 6'5" intruder. With that Glock, if I am not home, she can handle herself and protect our children. That damn simple!

And that is your opinion. A 6'5" intruder can be handled very easy by a 5'6" woman without the needs of a gun. How do all the woman in other countries do it?

[bornl33t]

why guns?
a.) because we can
b.) because we like them... they are like sports cars EVERYONE wants a cool one
c.) sport like paintball
d.) to shoot intruders...... because we Americans as philosophy choise to do something about a problem rather then sit back and let someone else do the job. Americans don't like to feel helpless. Trust me, ppl in England, Germany, Australia WISH that they could do something other then calling 911 or their prospective counterpart and hopeing the door will hold. In this Americans are unique.

I think those 4 reasons justify gun owership.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


And that is your opinion. A 6'5" intruder can be handled very easy by a 5'6" woman without the needs of a gun. How do all the woman in other countries do it?

Massive amounts of armpit hair and a vile body odor.

Our women bathe.

You fail to grasp the simple fact, it's nobody's damned business why we choose to have a gun in the house over any other means of self defense.

I don't give two hoots in hell why any other country does or does not choose to.

My RIGHT to carry and own a firearm is an ENUMERATED right in the Constitution.

Period.

[bornl33t]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


And that is your opinion. A 6'5" intruder can be handled very easy by a 5'6" woman without the needs of a gun. How do all the woman in other countries do it?

they don't watch the Eruopean vers of americas most wanted... Also you gotta remember houses in Europe are solid brick with THICK doors bars over the windows double locking dea bolts