Gutter ball for "Bowling for Columbine"! (long)

[Smegma]

Here is another one that i forgot about. I didn't know this and it shocked me at first. For all that wonder why we have firearms, you should read this:

"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order" (Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 [1982]).

BTW, we should focus more on keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals, not law abiders. Stripping our firearms only leaves us more voulnerable. I makes me safe to know that when i go to sleep at night, my dad and his glock can atleast defend us.

[Smegma]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


But why do you need a gun to feel protected. I mean here in the US people claim they need a gun to feel protected, while in other areas of the world, people don't feel so. Is it because the US has more crime, is more dangerous. No it isn't so why is are the US people so afraid that they feel they did a gun to feel safe.

Have you ever been shot at?

[Jonneh]

Here's an idea, why not keep guns out of the hands of EVERYONE, then no one would shoot each other! woah

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


But why do you need a gun to feel protected. I mean here in the US people claim they need a gun to feel protected, while in other areas of the world, people don't feel so. Is it because the US has more crime, is more dangerous. No it isn't so why is the US people so afraid that they feel they need a gun to feel safe.

[Smegma]

Originally posted by Jonneh
Here's an idea, why not keep guns out of the hands of EVERYONE, then no one would shoot each other! woah

If you could do it, i would be all for it, but its never going to happen.

[Python14]

# of people my guns have killed: 0

Who am I hurting with my firearms?

[-=Squid=-]

Actually, the statistics came from a book called "Give a boy a gun" I didnt say it lasted only 3 years, but during that time span thats the number killed. 1stdeadeye, unless you were "kidding" by calling me junior ( ) I have just comepletely lost all respect towards you. Ok, to the point. Self defense? Phooie. If nobody had handguns we wouldnt have to defend ourselves against them would we? And if a person is stupid enough to break into a home unarmed, just stab them. lol. Point again, handguns are not necessary for any reason.

EDIT: 98% wont be used in crime. I say 30,000, (BTW to the person who said 300,000...umm no.) imagine how many guns there are? I would easily believe that 30000 is only 2% of the handguns in the nation.

[Smegma]

handguns are not necessary for any reason.

I can't believe that you just said that. You're telling me that you can't come up with one good reason for a handgun.

[Smegma]

i was searching around and i found this. It's MM's brief history lesson on America and firearms.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/america.php

[Army]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
Ok, to the point. Self defense? Phooie. If nobody had handguns we wouldnt have to defend ourselves against them would we? And if a person is stupid enough to break into a home unarmed, just stab them. lol. Point again, handguns are not necessary for any reason.

A firearm keeps you away from any close physical contact with a bad guy. A normal person can close a 15 foot gap in less than 1/2 second, imagine how fast a hyped on adrenaline/drugs punk can move.

Stab them? Do you know how easy it is to take a knife from someone? Do you have the foggiest how little immediately incompacitating damage is done in a knife fight? Do you know exactly where a very effective stab must be placed? Can you do this while getting the crap beat out of you?

I don't keep firearms handy to defend against another gun, I do it to protect my family from ANY predator, four and two legged. Sarah and I both shoot rifles and handguns. I compete in Practical Pistol matches, don't I have a reason for a pistol for that? Sarah loves whacking the 750yd gong at our club range with my rifles, does that make her a "sniper"? Hardly, but it does show that she can outshoot 3/4 of the people that shoot at our range!

I'm not afraid of anything, except for spiderwebs that fall across my face *ewww*, so I don't need/keep/collect guns out of fear.

BTW, 14 years ago, my wife defended Sarah and herself from a group of 5 drunk "gang" members. They had already thrown a large barrel through the bedroom window, showering them both with glass. My wife grabbed the bedside shotgun and racked the slide to chamber a shell, yelling out; "If any of you *bleepity bleeping bleepers* are still out there, I'll gonna blow your *bleepiy bleeping* heads off!". The responding Police simply asked her to unload the gun, and put it back by the bed, then thanked her for not making a mess out on the sidewalk.

You'll notice I said "responding" Police. See, they can only come to your house to help you AFTER a crime has been commited. In 1968, the Supreme Court ruled that the Police are under NO obligation to protect you (Hayes Vs State). That leaves it up to yourself, doesn't it? Personally, i don't plan on waiting for the Police to show up before the bad guy in my house decides I'm a liability to him.

Another BTW; Those "death by gun" stats are old stale numbers that the CFDC and Handgun Control has bantered about for years. The "children" they cite as dying from guns, range from 2 months to 26 years old. Call me silly, but legally you ain't a kid after 18. These numbers also include those shot by Police and Security officers (one should conclude that these particular "kids" are really bad guys).

[-Carnifex-]

You see, this is why I have the utmost respect for Army. No personal attacks, only calm, collected reason. I appreciate your sincerity Army.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Army


I don't keep firearms handy to defend against another gun, I do it to protect my family from ANY predator, four and two legged.

Especially those rabied ground squirrels.

Vicious little critters.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


But why do you need a gun to feel protected. I mean here in the US people claim they need a gun to feel protected, while in other areas of the world, people don't feel so. Is it because the US has more crime, is more dangerous. No it isn't so why is the US people so afraid that they feel they need a gun to feel safe.

[bornl33t]

well I'm sure there are ppl out there that feel the same way about us paintballers as some of you about NRA members. Don't dis it cause you don't like it. If they take away the guns paintball is next.... if you want to see guns banished, then hand over your paintball gun too...

[Collegeboy]

I just want to know why people in the US feel they need a gun to feel safe, when people in other countries don't feel so?