Matrix discussion ***WITH SPOILERS***

[devildog]

hmm, interesting points, but whats the deal with the young kid that wanted to join neo's crew, they made a big stink about him in the first half of the movie, and then just dumped him, whats the point of having him in the film? to deliver the spoon? then why have him in all the scenes prior to that? i think he plays a big role, maybe in the third one, or maybe something we havent caught on to.

also, smith and neo arent just similair, smith said they are partly the same, umm, thing (entity?). thats why smith hasnt died yet.

anyway, as far as the movie is concerned, i think they could have played just the last 30 minutes and the movie would have been just the same, maybe even better. it was too slow, and uninteresting.

and whats with the comedy all of a sudden, this is def not a movie that should have comedy in it.

[devildog]

oh yeah, anybody sit through the hours (seemed like) of credits at the end to watch the trailer for the third matrix? looks pretty good.

i know it was just a trailer, but it seems the whole third film will be that neo has 24 hours to "do something" to stop the end of humanity since he took the other door at the end. well, in the trailer, the city of the matrix is shuting down, and dying as time goes on, so the stuff said by the archetect must be true somewhat. in one seen, as neo is running down the street, lights are shutting off as he passes them, indicating that the matrix is dying part by part. at the end of the trailer, he is walking down a long, umm, looks like hanger or something, and thousands of "smiths" line his sides, he walks through an ilse between them, and then stops and looks face to face with, i assume its the "main" smith, and thats the end of the trailer, so smith plays a huge role in the trilogy somewhere.

also, if at the end of part 2, he is flying through the building to get to trinity, and the bomb was tripped and that server, cpu, or whatever room was exploded, how can the matrix still be alive if the whole server and stuff be destroyed?

[xmetal2001]

Originally posted by devildog

also, if at the end of part 2, he is flying through the building to get to trinity, and the bomb was tripped and that server, cpu, or whatever room was exploded, how can the matrix still be alive if the whole server and stuff be destroyed?

Because if i'm not mistaken, that building contained a door to the mainframe or whatever, it wasn't actually contained in that building

[Bubonic Plauge]

Here is the deal, Neo did that little shock thing in the end because they are ALL still in the Matrix. Neo, Morph, Trinity, Zion, all in.

All the programs (Keymaker, Oracle etc..) are all there as an ADDITIONAL control device. "The one" thinks he is out of the matrix, and the ability to choose is what keeps his mind stable, they are all still in the Matrix.

The bad guy, traitor dude in the end is the "anti-one." In my opinion he will have powers just like Neo, but bad guy style.

The end.,

P.S. I have a Psychology degree with a background in philosophy. This movie is confusing for most everybody, including me.
I am not not sure if I liked the movie or not...still deciding.

[lvl10mag]

I thought the Matrix reloaded kicked some *** but the ending was kinda weak. "to be concluded" thats a bunch of crap atleast end it right. if you play the game it gives you more details on what happens after that. the game has over 1 hour of footage in it.
even if you dont wanna play it just use the cheats and watch the movies. the movies arent animated its just like the movie each clip is about 5-15 mins long.
There was way to much slow mo and freeze frame in it but it did look kinda cool.
I vote two thumbs up and give it a 8 out of 10 because it was a little confusing and didnt explain anything so if you didnt see the first one you had know idea what was going on.

- Matt
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[darklord]

nice thoughts guys, but I'm surprised no one touched more upon Agent Smith's role... I think that's pretty cool, how he copied himself using that guy in the matrix (1st one), so he could have access to Zion. This leads me to believe that Smith and other agents aren't even aware of the big picture, and that the Architect is really the only one who knows everything, leaking bits and pieces to certain parties (like "the one") when necessary.

I think it's definitely been established that there are 2 matrixes, if not more. That reminds me, if Smith can get into the 2nd matrix, what good will that do? The architect will have power to do whatever he wants. I view the architect as just some guy who designed everything, but he's just observing the progress.

As for the whole "stuck in the 21st century" crap, it makes sense, since it consists of the peak of humanity to the darker, end of humanity (when the machines destroy Zion). After "the one" chooses to 'save' humanity, the cycle continues.

When they're trying to delete the keymaker, it seems to me like they were just showing their lack of control over the matrix, and what goes in it. They just roll the dice and hope for the best (they put in factors like "the one", who they designed, and agent programs).

I think the 3rd one will be interesting, with the possibility of Agent Smith entering the 2nd matrix, causing unanticipated problems. The movie will probably end in a few different ways: one, neo saves humanity at the last minute, in a typical storybook fashion. Or two, neo realizes he is just a program within the 2nd matrix, and that, by 'saving' humanity, he must die, and the world will start anew. Or maybe even Neo will become the supreme creator of a brand new world....

The movie rocked to say the least, the action was incredible, at first it was pretty bland, but the story and action made up for it.

[Tyril]

The movie will probably end in a few different ways: one, neo saves humanity at the last minute, in a typical storybook fashion. Or two, neo realizes he is just a program within the 2nd matrix, and that, by 'saving' humanity, he must die, and the world will start anew. Or maybe even Neo will become the supreme creator of a brand new world....

While these are all good ideas for the trilogy ending, I'm hoping for a more ambiguious one. Like Neo, representing the Flaw that is Human Choice triumphing over the cloned Smiths (probably at this time taking over every living being in the matrix), rescuing everyone, defying the Arcitect, only to have all existence (the third-level matrix) reset, beginning the cycle over again. The end would zoom out, through all the layers that are the tired matricies, ending with a mainframe rack in some vastly futuristic world. I'm one for the ending-that-isn't-really-and-ending.

-mike

[Big_M]

what about the connection of smith and neo? with neos new ability to stop machines in mid flight with thought (or hand), I think that it's smiths doing, mayby onces of data or what ever from smith are within neo? and with that, neo now part program, or machine, with his ability to "sense the machines". I think the 3rd movie will have a lot less to do with the actual matrix now that neo has his new ability, who knows, can't wait to play the game

[Bubonic Plauge]

And whats the deal with the "...to be concluded.." ?? That sucks as it is not even in form from the first movie. Its not like Star Wars where there is a trilogy but each has a difinitive ending. Its like they just tacked on an extra two movies to the first. I get the feeling they did not have the second two movies in mind when they conceived the first one...but thats just my opinion.

Egg

[impostal22]

darklord- i talked about smith's role...i think he's truly a virus (he multiplies by contaminating friendly beings), a rebel program within the matrix.

lol a lot of you guys said stuff i said previously (not being insulting or anything), i'm just curious if you even read my drabble .

btw i almost forgot, who rememebrs in the beginning of the movie, an agent answers the telephone and is transported to "the real world". i forget if that was a dream of neo's or not. if it wasn't...WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO HIM. and...how could an agent travel outside of the matrix into the real world if he has no body connected into the matrix to become? in other words, if he's just a program, how can he get out of the matrix?

i REALLY REALLY REALLY hope the third movie doesn't suck, and that it has an ambiguous ending (even though it's gonna bug me). if it ends crappily, the trilogy could be ruined

[Big_M]

on this matrix with in a matrix, sorry to say, but It's too obvious, I don't think they would do something like that I agree with the whol smith being a virus, that would work, and the "traitor" that was talked about, that is smith, only he took over that guys brain the same way he takes over other people in the matrix, my thought is that he is the virus like stated above, or he can do this becasu when neo "destroyed him" he was disconnected from the matrix, being able to take over minds like an agent, but with out limits or help from the matrix
anyone agree?

[Badjojo]

impostal22-im fairly sure that smith taking over the guy and getting transported into zion is very simply as they made it look, the agent downloading into the guys head. Just like how everyone "unplugged" gets back into the matrix, by uploading themselves. I remember morpheus saying something to that effect in the 1st one.
I found several items to quibble on, what did the extremely white transparent guys serve? Were they just bodyguards or hitmen? I also didnt like the almost groupie like guy who gave neo the spoon. How could the spoon get outside of the "matrix" i guess they as aforementioned are still in a matrix. Niobe didnt play a very big part. Only saving morpheus and blowing the nuclear powerplant. Not much screen time. Also i didnt like the lack of slowed time(i believe this was mentioned before) on neos part. Sure he had to fight off 40 some odd agents but hey he can do some "bullet time" for the audience, he got smacked around enough.
The preview for the next one looked very cool, i dont know if it was worth waiting through those long credits where i figured everyone in the dakotas was mentioned (no offense to dakotan residents). Overall I liked it better than the first one, and i figure the 3rd will certainly top both of em.

[logamus]

that ending blew. just like lotr. it really chapped me. anyway, on with the movie. i belive neo chose to save trinity at the cost of zion. he had to chose to save zion or save trinity right? several things seem weak to me. why would a computer intentionally program in things that would eventually challenge the original program? why have the oracle, neo, keymaker, etc.? i know most programs have a few bugs in them, but isnt that more a result of human error in the programmer? wouldnt a computer be able to program something without bugs? and why allow zion at all? if you destroy it once, why allow it to return? i think that part is a bluff from the arcitect. i think the vast majority of his speech was a bluff. i think he realizes that neo is an "anomaly" that was heretofore unexpected and unintended. perhpaps zion was mostly destroyed but i doubt that was just the 6th time. my feeling is that neo really frightens the machines and is a serious threat to their survival, one that they cannot easily counter.

but like TheBigRaguPB4L said, we really need to just relax and just enjoy the movie. except for the horrible ending.

[Big_M]

about the spoon, I don't think that was ment to say there are 2 matrixes, just to remind us of the kid in the first movie, who knows, maybe we are all wrong, maybe something more twisted will happen, maybe this is all a dream? maybe this is is all a plot to make us belive the matrix isn't real while infact it is controling us while machines harvest our energy so that they can survive?

anywho, for anyone with a speedy internet, go to www.theanimatrix.com very nice short films

[magking1971]

Here is what I came up with on the spoon thing,
Remember the girl with the spoon in the first movie?
she was woken up and came to zion and sent neo a hand-made spoon to say "hi I'm not in the matrix anymore, remember me?"