Just Watched the Democratic Presidential Debate

[1stdeadeye]

Whatever. The Expose said FORCED to retire.

You know what. It is time to break out the big guns!

For CB:

Gen Clark trying to look southern:


For AaronMag:
It's time:

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Okay, I'll order the book. What was the second one?

If you guys get those books I'll probably have to make it to a NJAO! A very easy and short read is Hannibal: Enemy of Rome. It probably would take one cross country plane ride. It is readable and enjoyable.

The only book on Scipio Africanus is the Greater than Napoleon book. It pretty much shows how forgotten he is by history when the only book there is compares him to Napoleon. I believe it was written prior to WWII and the author is constantly comparing the early "enlightened" Roman empire to the British Empire. Little did he know it was about to fall!!!

[than205]

Originally posted by Albinonewt

If we want to privatize medicare we're called heartless. Frankly, liberals would have to deal with the same thing from us if they posistions were reversed.

Would you consider privatizing the military?

And liberals are called commies. It's all just names and we're all just people.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by than205

And liberals are called commies. It's all just names and we're all just people.

Good point. We're all told to move to Russia. Not to mention fools like Ann Coulter call us traitors! What say you to THAT Albinonewt?????? Now it is our turn to be morally outraged!:)

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


Good point. We're all told to move to Russia. Not to mention fools like Ann Coulter call us traitors! What say you to THAT Albinonewt?????? Now it is our turn to be morally outraged!:)

I thought all you liberal commie tree huggers didn't have morals. You all just have your "causes"?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


Good point. We're all told to move to Russia. Not to mention fools like Ann Coulter call us traitors! What say you to THAT Albinonewt?????? Now it is our turn to be morally outraged!:)

And then you've got Al Franken with his new books lies and the lying liars that tell them.

To say there will never be name calling is a fantasy. Why let what Anne Coulter says bother you? I don't care what Al Franken says. Both are individual people with an axe to grind and as such their blanket accusations mean nothing to me.

As for commie, well what can you do? A communist is the far left of the scale and a facist is the far right, so I suppose it isn't out of the question for those terms to be fair game. Nazism is something different though, and I would rather that one off the table.

Also, the difference between Anne Coulter calling a person a traitor and every liberal minded person feeling it is ok to call every conservative minded person a Nazi without diminishing the historical significance should be rather pronounced for anyone.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by than205
Would you consider privatizing the military?

No, but that's because the whole purpose of a government is to protect its citizens, with rules, laws, and an armed forces. Government exists for mutual defense. Privatizing that would eliminate the need for government. Medicare, although important in it's own right, is not a fundamental neccasity of government.

Plus, the point of my comment was a policy discussion, merely an example of the constant berating that goes on in public discourse.

And liberals are called commies. It's all just names and we're all just people.

a) there are more then one kind of communist. Not every communist country committed genocide. The only Nazi state did. (Mussolini was a Facist, not a Nazi)
b) Communism is on the scale of left and right, just like Facism. Nazism is not.
c) Communism has a high and lofty goal, social equality. While it has never worked out the way it was envisioned, it wasn't envisioned as a tool of evil. There is no lofty and noble goal behind Nazism.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Albinonewt




Also, the difference between Anne Coulter calling a person a traitor and every liberal minded person feeling it is ok to call every conservative minded person a Nazi without diminishing the historical significance should be rather pronounced for anyone.

You mean you all are not.

[Konigballer]

mussolini was a facist, not a nazi but national socialism was a facist form of government. If your going to label a group of people, republicans, something harsh to present their ideals in the darkest form possible then you use the most recognizable bunch of badguys, nazis. It just sounds harsher than "facist", cause the word facist just doesnt have the same impact. Theirs no rules when your slammin' political parties. I only think its fair that democrats are called communist since its the philosophical and ideological enemy of national socialism, and both of those names exagerate the worst aspects, real or imagined, of both parties. I think being called a traitor is worse than both sense its being called someone who would back stab their own country. The nazis and commies were real jerkoffs but you cant say they were'nt overly "patriotic":) But like I already said, theirs no rules so whatever...

Plus albinonewt, lets remember the average american ain't that bright. If you yelled "facist!!" at someone, most people wouldnt even know who you were refering too. Its sad I know but have you seen some of the people Jay Leno questions on the streets, their not real up to speed.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Konigballer
mussolini was a facist, not a nazi but national socialism was a facist form of government.

Um, yeah. I said he wasn't a Nazi.

If your going to label a group of people, republicans, something harsh to present their ideals in the darkest form possible then you use the most recognizable bunch of badguys, nazis.

That's nonsense. For all the reasons I desribed before using that term as a when you're talking someone's support of the Patriot act or for monitoring illegal immigration is just morally bankrupt and inaccurate. The Nazis were not just the end of a political spectrum, they were something all of their own. To be a facist is not the same as being a facist. The Nazis killed millions. Everytime someone calls Bush a Nazi for supporting school vouvhers they equate school vouchers with the torture and murder of an entire people. It sholdn't be difficult to understand whay that isn't acceptable.

It just sounds harsher than "facist", cause the word facist just doesnt have the same impact.

Because they're two different things. A facist is the end of the political spectrum on the right. A Nazi is a person that is willing to commit genocide.

Theirs no rules when your slammin' political parties.

Then how come I spend my summer listening to Democrats complain that it wasn't fair to call their patriotism into question?

I only think its fair that democrats are called communist since its the philosophical and ideological enemy of national socialism, and both of those names exagerate the worst aspects, real or imagined, of both parties.

Facism and Communism shuld be "in play"

I think being called a traitor is worse than both sense its being called someone who would back stab their own country.

But that's one right wing author doing it. Surely because Anne Coulter likes to be over the top that doesn't mean that every Republican or conservative does so. Remember, she was fired from the conservatice magazine National Review for the things she says. She obviously does not speak for the rest of us.

The nazis and commies were real jerkoffs but you cant say they were'nt overly "patriotic":) But like I already said, theirs no rules so whatever...

Real jerkoffs? The Nazis commited genocide! GENOCIDE. Understand that privitized social security and "we need breathing space" so we're going to cull your people from the earth are just SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

Plus albinonewt, lets remember the average american ain't that bright. If you yelled "facist!!" at someone, most people wouldnt even know who you were refering too. Its sad I know but have you seen some of the people Jay Leno questions on the streets, their not real up to speed.

So what? So it's ok to pander to the people by referring to every republican as a member of a murdering genocidal racist party? It's a cheap shot, and the people that do it lack any kind of respect for what the Holocaust was and what the Nazi party was.

[Albinonewt]

Patriot Act Revealed

Patriot Act Column by Jonah Goldberg

Fox News on the Patriot Act

Very interesting, very interesting indeed. Another topic that the Democratic candidates were absolutly harping on during the debate.

[Collegeboy]

Just because it has not yet happened, doesn't mean it won't and it is right.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Just because it has not yet happened, doesn't mean it won't and it is right.

True, it could happen, but it isn't likely to ever happen in the kind of masses that liberals were oringally complaining about. The whole thing was an episode in hysterics.

The primary purpose of that section isn't to check out library books, but rather to look into any kind of business record. The library part is just a "bonus". And I really don't have a problem with it. So the FBI knows what I read, so what? What exactly are they going to do with the information.

Plus, there is both Judicial oversight and Justice department oversight and congressional oversight. So don't be offended that I see no problem at all with that section.

Also, does that mean CB that you (and other liberals) advocate the repealing or the revision of the act pre-emptivly before something terrible arrises from the act?

[Albinonewt]

An excellent article on Clark by Jay Bryant of Townhall.com

Another conservative, but some interesting points, and more or less along my theory of Clark (although a tad more developed then mine).

[Collegeboy]

It should have never have been in the first place.

I think this thing will be used to the degree that many think it will.

I read the article and I found it funny how the right likes to blame everything on the Clinton's. Is it possible that Clinton is supporting Clark, yes, and I hope he is. I hope Clarks VP is either Hillary or Bill, or Clark is the VP for Hillary. Either one would suit fine for me and be a great step towards toppling the dictator (since the right likes to make unfound statements I will throw one in too) that we have now.