Womd

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Army
Any refference to Depleted Uranium munitions is moot. There is no longer ANY dangerous amount of radioactivity left in the metal....why do you think they call it DEPLETED?

Before you say it, and sound really stupid doing so...I work with DU munitions on a monthly basis. REM readings at the end of the day, are usually LOWER than when I started in the morning.

Uranium Hexaflouride (DU) is 60+% LESS radioactive than natural Uranium...which also isn't very dangerous at all. U238 is created when U234 and U235 are seperated from natural Uranium. DU is the leftovers from the process. DU is NOT fissionable, but very heavy for it's relative density, that's why it makes a perfect kinetic energy projectile. Because it is much less "hot" than mined Uranium ore, it does not reach even the most liberal interpretation of the radiation guidlines of the UN.

Tear gas (HS or HC)also does not meet any level of UN criteria as a weapon. We don't use it because both of those are too persistant, meaning it sticks around too long to be useful. If we gas an area, we can't move into it until the crystals and oils dissipate, which can take wayyyy too long.

Palestine has never existed as a state or country. Israel has always been a country. But until 1947-48, a recognised border was never established. Israel builds and designs it's own munitions and weapon systems, and very good ones at that, but some items are cheaper to buy than make, ie; F16's. Israel has been attacked many times by its neighbors, and has succesfully repelled all invaders. The land it has aqquired from these battles is legally theirs by international recognition of warfare. It's the same reason we own Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, Marshall Islands, etc..

9/11 was the result of evil people hating for a cause. The US just happens to be that cause. Evil people should be aware that we do not take kindly to getting kicked in the head, and we will set out to destroy those evil people so that the rest of the world won't have to....including France. That destruction has begun, and will not end until all the bad people have been killed. We haven't stopped with Iraq, only ended that place of being bad. We will now show it how to be good, like we did in Germany, Japan, Soviet Union, Italy.......and France

Amen to this! CB PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THIS POST AGAIN BEFORE YOU REPLY!!!!!!!!

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


So as usual you chime in with a nice catch phrase but have absolutly nothing to say once you're asked to elaborate.

Although, one incident you might be thinking of happened in Iraq a few months ago. Some terrorists used a pregnant woman as bait to lure some GI's closer to a car bomb.

No, the story I heard was from a real person, not the media.

It's funny, if I collaberated with your stories then I wouldn't be using catch phrases. Not to mention I haven't used any catch phrases.

Both Palestine and Israel are at fault. Just because the Palestinians use terrorists rather than a real army doesn't make it a valid form of warfare.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


Both Palestine and Israel are at fault. Just because the Palestinians use terrorists rather than a real army doesn't make it a valid form of warfare.

EXACTLY!!!

Terrorism is a crime.

Guerilla Warfare is a valid form of warfare. The problem is the Palestinians would rather use terrorism.

[Collegeboy]

Joey d So let me guess because someone differs from your view point you want them gone. You know Stalin did the same thing.


If Israel would move out of the land that the illegally occupy then the Palestinians can work towards a country of their own. If the Israelis stop the inhumane practices of putting Palestinians into camps and treating them like dogs, then peace might come. If you knew anything about what I think on this issue you will know that I find both sides at fault, I do not choice a side and say they are right, the other is wrong, for that is just stupid. At this point, nothing will be able to be done in that area until Israel stops their acts against the Palestinians. The innocent Palestinians see their living conditions now, and see no hope. They see Israeli tanks bull dozing down their houses, they see no hope, they see Israelis flying US jets dropping bombs on their apartment complexes, they see no hope, they see Israeli troops firing missiles into their apartment buildings, they see no hope.

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/59210ce6d04aef61852560c3005da209?OpenDocument

Army.

We will not attack N. Korea for we can not attack them. There is no way we would win if we attacked them without turning the Korean Peninsular into a nuclear waste land, and without getting into a 30 year non ending war that will see the deaths of 1/4 of the inhabitants of this earth, if not more. The administration knows this, that is why they haven't done anything.


Albnewt. All males over the age of 18 are by law required to be apart of the IDF. So given the situations laid out for the defense of the Israeli position. All an attacker has to do is to make sure that at least one over 18 year old is anywhere near by.

Israel can do their job with lesser Palestinian deaths then they have done. There is no reason the number of Palestinian deaths should go far and above the number of Israeli deaths. Israel should move out of their illegally held land, offer the Palestinian people a country of their own in a year if the attacks stop. And for every attack increase the time for a country to take place. This will in turn take away Israel as the leader of their sufferings and bring forth these terror groups. This of course will be mandate by the UN made of mostly Arab nations.

Yes it is a valid form of warfare. (this was the issue I was trying to get IDE to hit up on) The targeting of civilians ever since Sherman's march to the sea has always been apart of war. If you do not believe this then you have to say that the Allied bombings of Tokyo, Hamburg, and Berlin were not warfare.

To the rest, I think I have answered all of yours statements, if not please post them again.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Joey d So let me guess because someone differs from your view point you want them gone. You know Stalin did the same thing.

Except that Stalin did it forcebly. Joey was suggesting we buy you a ticket. Big diference there eh?

Also, he was joking!


If Israel would move out of the land that the illegally occupy then the Palestinians can work towards a country of their own. If the Israelis stop the inhumane practices of putting Palestinians into camps and treating them like dogs, then peace might come. If you knew anything about what I think on this issue you will know that I find both sides at fault, I do not choice a side and say they are right, the other is wrong, for that is just stupid. At this point, nothing will be able to be done in that area until Israel stops their acts against the Palestinians. The innocent Palestinians see their living conditions now, and see no hope. They see Israeli tanks bull dozing down their houses, they see no hope, they see Israelis flying US jets dropping bombs on their apartment complexes, they see no hope, they see Israeli troops firing missiles into their apartment buildings, they see no hope.

Whatever. And the Israelis should ignore their buses, discos, markets, gorcery stores, restaurants, etc... being blown up by Palestinian terrorists?!?!


Israel can do their job with lesser Palestinian deaths then they have done. There is no reason the number of Palestinian deaths should go far and above the number of Israeli deaths. Israel should move out of their illegally held land, offer the Palestinian people a country of their own in a year if the attacks stop. And for every attack increase the time for a country to take place. This will in turn take away Israel as the leader of their sufferings and bring forth these terror groups. This of course will be mandate by the UN made of mostly Arab nations.

Sure that would happen. Also it is the terrorists who draw the Isaraelis into the territories. They have to engage the terrorists were they catch them.

Yes it is a valid form of warfare. (this was the issue I was trying to get IDE to hit up on) The targeting of civilians ever since Sherman's march to the sea has always been apart of war. If you do not believe this then you have to say that the Allied bombings of Tokyo, Hamburg, and Berlin were not warfare.

If you can't see the difference, then I feel sorry for you.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
No, the story I heard was from a real person, not the media.

So it is without proof twice removed?

And what about this line?

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
Still, I've seen reports (none that I could find, mind you) of Israeli soldiers murdering civies at checkpoints

Just the other day you had SEEN reports. Now you've heard them from friends. Tomorrow you will have had a bad dream about Israel.

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
It's funny, if I collaberated with your stories then I wouldn't be using catch phrases. Not to mention I haven't used any catch phrases.

If you collabarated my stories it would be because you read the same verifiable sources that I read and then repeated them. Not some unidentified source that you couldn't find.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by Collegeboy
Joey d So let me guess because someone differs from your view point you want them gone. You know Stalin did the same thing.

Except that Stalin did it forcebly. Joey was suggesting we buy you a ticket. Big diference there eh?

Also, he was joking!


If Israel would move out of the land that the illegally occupy then the Palestinians can work towards a country of their own. If the Israelis stop the inhumane practices of putting Palestinians into camps and treating them like dogs, then peace might come. If you knew anything about what I think on this issue you will know that I find both sides at fault, I do not choice a side and say they are right, the other is wrong, for that is just stupid. At this point, nothing will be able to be done in that area until Israel stops their acts against the Palestinians. The innocent Palestinians see their living conditions now, and see no hope. They see Israeli tanks bull dozing down their houses, they see no hope, they see Israelis flying US jets dropping bombs on their apartment complexes, they see no hope, they see Israeli troops firing missiles into their apartment buildings, they see no hope.

Whatever. And the Israelis should ignore their buses, discos, markets, gorcery stores, restaurants, etc... being blown up by Palestinian terrorists?!?!


Israel can do their job with lesser Palestinian deaths then they have done. There is no reason the number of Palestinian deaths should go far and above the number of Israeli deaths. Israel should move out of their illegally held land, offer the Palestinian people a country of their own in a year if the attacks stop. And for every attack increase the time for a country to take place. This will in turn take away Israel as the leader of their sufferings and bring forth these terror groups. This of course will be mandate by the UN made of mostly Arab nations.

Sure that would happen. Also it is the terrorists who draw the Isaraelis into the territories. They have to engage the terrorists were they catch them.

Yes it is a valid form of warfare. (this was the issue I was trying to get IDE to hit up on) The targeting of civilians ever since Sherman's march to the sea has always been apart of war. If you do not believe this then you have to say that the Allied bombings of Tokyo, Hamburg, and Berlin were not warfare.

If you can't see the difference, then I feel sorry for you.

So you want the Palestinians to forget their homes being blown up, their living conditions being worse then a dog, their apartments getting light up by missiles, their strip searches just to go to work.

You said and others said that it is unlawful for it targets civilians; the allied bombings did the same thing. So was that unlawful.

[jdev]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Except that Stalin did it forcebly. Joey was suggesting we buy you a ticket. Big diference there eh?

Also, he was joking!

I was?

sure, ill start a fund to send CB to palestine, or anywhere in the middle east for that matter. Im good to start this off for $20. I hear ticket prices out there are going down... so a few more bucks and we will have this in the bag.

I understand you want to be simpathetic to their problems, but do you realize what would happen to you? Im not sure I (or anyone else for that matter) understands your sympathy for a country that hates you and all that you stand for. regardless of your "im collegeboy, i like you, your people, your ways and beliefs" attitude.

I wonder, if after the 9/11 events, does anyone remember Danny Pearl? he was a jewish-american. also a reporter for the NY times. he was in israel doing whatever it is that he does, whether it be reporting or vacationing, doenst matter at this point. not up for discussion. what matters is this. he was killed. not by stray bullets, or bomb shrapnel, by terrorists.

not because he was jewish
not because he walked down the wrong street
not because he wore a blue shirt
not because he had blonde hair

because he was american. in an environment where they dont like us, or our culture. the fact he was killed because he was a reporter is debateable.. which is not why I posted this though.

frankly CB, I dont care for or about your opinions. I dont think any less of you because of them, you are entitled to them. dont expect me to go out to a bar/mall/coffee shop and buy you a drink/meal/coffee. we differ. thats all there is to it.

plus, I heard you made a post about "what about all the japanese people that died in the pearl harbor incident?"

without reading any of the post (if someone can, please link me) all i can say is that the Japanese Brought it on themselves. what would you expect.

lets say you sucker punch me. for your sake, you better hope it knocks me out, and you run far and fast. because if it doesnt, im gonna throw you the beating of your lifetime.

(no, this is not directed at you CB, just example)

it just seems that you take the opposite side on everything. which is fine, everyone likes a challenge.. but seriously, you lend a sympathetic ear to the country that attacked us in the first place. you just seem to have this thing about you when you post, that pisses everyone off. *shrug* im over it. moving right along.

however, you differ in the manner that you seem to support all that is going on in the middle east. simpathetic to their causes and losses. sure, they have suffered losses. yes, it has been women and children. have we not suffered the same? many women, and children have been lost in wars that the US Have fought.

or have you forgotten the women who fight for our country, and the sons and daughters (who are still children to the parents that birthed them) who have died so you can spout off at the mouth your opinions?

so, keep going on about all the women and children lost. i dont really think it was the main topic of disucssion.

personally, i dont care about anything that goes on outside the borders of my own country. people being raped in the congos? dont care, not my country, let their government or political gathering, coop, whatever they have handle it.

famine and disease in rwanda? again, i dont care. it doesnt effect me personally. I know this sounds harsh and all, but its the way it is. that is how me and you differ. and I am sure that others are going to read this and say.. "jeesh, what a prick this kid is" and thats fine. those of you who have met me and know me off the boards, know different

CB, i have my $20 in for a ticket to send you to palestine. hopefully, your plane wont be hijacked, bombed, or shot down out of the sky. and with any luck, and good graces, your time spent in palestine/israel will not result in your new impairment of living.

anyways. I digress. lets get this back on topic to WMD, not how much people disagree with collegeboy.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
Joey d So let me guess because someone differs from your view point you want them gone. You know Stalin did the same thing.

Stalin bought plane tickets for all the people that disagreed with them? I think not.


If Israel would move out of the land that the illegally occupy then the Palestinians can work towards a country of their own.

They had begun dismanteling the settlements months ago and still the violence continued. What do the Palestinians want? For Sharon to wave his magic wand and have the settlements disappear?

If the Israelis stop the inhumane practices of putting Palestinians into camps and treating them like dogs, then peace might come.

Where would you put them then? No really CB, where should they go? To cities in the lands the Arab states stole from them (like Jordan)? I don't hear that being proposed.

If you knew anything about what I think on this issue you will know that I find both sides at fault, I do not choice a side and say they are right, the other is wrong, for that is just stupid.

I know what you think about it CB. Terrorism is ok and Israel has to make another "first move". Israel had been complying with the Roadmap, it was the Palestinians that weren't.

At this point, nothing will be able to be done in that area until Israel stops their acts against the Palestinians.

They had stopped. During the ceasefire the Palestinians continued to attack Israel and Israel didn't respond. After a several attacks Israel realized the cease fire meant nothing to those animals (the terrorists, not all Palestinians) and started to retaliate again.

The innocent Palestinians see their living conditions now, and see no hope.

Well then, maybe its time they start working torwards peace too. It's never going to get better as long as they support terrorists.

They see Israeli tanks bull dozing down their houses, they see no hope, they see Israelis flying US jets dropping bombs on their apartment complexes, they see no hope, they see Israeli troops firing missiles into their apartment buildings, they see no hope.

Well, maybe if they stopped letting the terrorists live inthe neighborhoods and cooperated with the people trying to aprehend the crminals they wouldn't have to worry so much about the IDF's actions. The IDF takes action against terrorists. If the Palestinians would just assist it would all be over shortly.

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/5...9?OpenDocument

Vague Vague Vague, Israel should withdraw. They were withdrawing. They were doing it, and then the violence started back up again.

Frankly, I think they should have continued to withdraw. I would dismantle the settlements, retreat to the territory that is accepted as mine and wait for the terrorists to continue to attack. And then, when they did attack again despite my full compliance, I would take my entire army into Palestine and teach them what warfare is.


We will not attack N. Korea for we can not attack them. There is no way we would win if we attacked them without turning the Korean Peninsular into a nuclear waste land, and without getting into a 30 year non ending war that will see the deaths of 1/4 of the inhabitants of this earth, if not more. The administration knows this, that is why they haven't done anything.

We will deal with North Korea. We obviously want to avoid armed conflict, as we tried in Iraq. But don't misunderstand North Korea's posistion. They are not quite in the posistion of strength they think they're in. It is entirly possible for us to neutralize their nuclear threat before they can use it. However, that is no without risk, so we'll try to avoid it.


Albnewt. All males over the age of 18 are by law required to be apart of the IDF. So given the situations laid out for the defense of the Israeli position. All an attacker has to do is to make sure that at least one over 18 year old is anywhere near by.

And all Palestinians, ALL of them, are taught to join the martyr brigades and declare war on Israel. Does that mean killing them is ok now too? Of course not. Yes, all males in Israel are a member of the Israel's reserves at some point in time and are sworn to defend their homeland from the mudereous thugs that seek to kill them all. If you think that makes everyone a military target then you are truly possessing of a warped mind. No, malls are not a legitimate target because a person that may have served the military at some point is walking there. Are you completely insane?

Israel can do their job with lesser Palestinian deaths then they have done. There is no reason the number of Palestinian deaths should go far and above the number of Israeli deaths. Israel should move out of their illegally held land, offer the Palestinian people a country of their own in a year if the attacks stop. And for every attack increase the time for a country to take place. This will in turn take away Israel as the leader of their sufferings and bring forth these terror groups. This of course will be mandate by the UN made of mostly Arab nations.

Maybe, they could do more to minimize casaulties, but at what cost? Leaving terrorist structures in place? At the expense of more of their soldiers? And what kind of moronic arguement is that? That the Israeli casaulties have to be higher then the Palestinian casaulties? And the Israelis were moving out and they did offer Palestine it's own country. Arafat won't let that happen. And Israel is not the cause of their suffereing, it is a scape goat.

Yes it is a valid form of warfare. (this was the issue I was trying to get IDE to hit up on) The targeting of civilians ever since Sherman's march to the sea has always been apart of war. If you do not believe this then you have to say that the Allied bombings of Tokyo, Hamburg, and Berlin were not warfare.

CB, why are you such a blatant Hypocrite? It's ok for terrorists to intentionally target Israeli children but if the IDF doesn't take special care to avoid accidently killing some civillians they are evil? What are you even babbling about?

All of the things you mention served strategic purposes. Sherman was cutting off supplies and avenues of retreat (although frankly I don't condone his methods) and the bombings in WWII did target military installations and factories of wars, just accuracy was a big problem back then. It just wasn't easy 60 years ago to hit a building that was making tanks from a several thousand feet in the air while being flakked. Sure, it would have been nice to have been more accurate, but how?

[Albinonewt]

Un on Terorism

UN against Terrorism

Even the UN doesn't condone terrorism.

[jdev]

professor deadeye and matt...


remind me to buy you drinks should I ever be in the jersey area, or you are in the boston area.



ok.. think this is it for me. ill stop posting off topic things.. (or would anyone notice )

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joey d


I was?

sure, ill start a fund to send CB to palestine, or anywhere in the middle east for that matter. Im good to start this off for $20. I hear ticket prices out there are going down... so a few more bucks and we will have this in the bag.

Where do I send my contribution?

I wonder, if after the 9/11 events, does anyone remember Danny Pearl? he was a jewish-american. also a reporter for the NY times. he was in israel doing whatever it is that he does, whether it be reporting or vacationing, doenst matter at this point. not up for discussion. what matters is this. he was killed. not by stray bullets, or bomb shrapnel, by terrorists.

not because he was jewish
not because he walked down the wrong street
not because he wore a blue shirt
not because he had blonde hair

because he was american. in an environment where they dont like us, or our culture. the fact he was killed because he was a reporter is debateable.. which is not why I posted this though.

Psst Pakistan buddy.

Good point though.

CB, i have my $20 in for a ticket to send you to palestine. hopefully, your plane wont be hijacked, bombed, or shot down out of the sky. and with any luck, and good graces, your time spent in palestine/israel will not result in your new impairment of living.

The good and decent Palestinians would never harm CB as he is enlightened unlike us conservative neanderthals!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


So you want the Palestinians to forget their homes being blown up, their living conditions being worse then a dog, their apartments getting light up by missiles, their strip searches just to go to work.

Why are these conditions necessay? It is because terrorists are hiding amoungst the Palestinians. The Israelis have a right to self defence, not offense.

Why the searches? Because the Palestinians have shown that they will use anyone as a suicide bomber.

The Israeli quality of life is great too? Armed guards everywhere. Hell they have guards out side the 7-11s there. Of course that is to keep the Palestinians inside behind the register!

This is why I really like the Israeli fence idea! Good fences make good neighbors. Maybe if we seperate the two of them peace will follow. Build that wall up Mr. Sharon!

You said and others said that it is unlawful for it targets civilians; the allied bombings did the same thing. So was that unlawful.

Is there a declared state of war between the Palestinian Authority and the State of Israel? Didn't think so. Total war as in WWII was to destroy the enemys' production capabilities. It was to disrupt their supplies.

Terrorism is to spread terror. The terrorist have not hit any starategic targets. They target soft targets like the cowards they are!

[jdev]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Where do I send my contribution?

heh, keep it up, ill start a paypal fund just for this


Psst Pakistan buddy.

Good point though.

*shrug*

pobody's nerfect


The good and decent Palestinians would never harm CB as he is enlightened unlike us conservative neanderthals!

yea, us neanderthals. ill be sure to send you over there with a nice christmas ham to give them. from the neanderthals.

back to the story of WOMD though.. this oughtta be a good one.

i live in a nice apartment complex. one where the carpets were pre-stained. walls, pregrimy and the bathroom already falling apart. almost like palestine.. well, maybe not.

well, someone that lived above me decided to thaw a turkey in their sink, with hot running water.

the sink overflowed, ran down to my bathroom, and rotted the drywall and such. needed to be replaced.

so, the complex handy man came by and worked on it a few saturdays ago. at 8am mind you. I awoke to power saws ansd such being used in my livingroom.

so, i couldnt get up in the AM and take the 'ol faithful morning leak. or a shower for that matter.

so, I head to moms, do some laundry, go pee, and have some breakfast. I come back home later in the night, around 6pm, bathroom still isint done. by then, ive had lunch and breakfast wanted out.. i had nowhere to go.

so, a lil bit later, he finishes, I v-line it to the bathroom (which looks nice by the way) and dispose of breakfast and what part of lunch had digested.

the complex manager wanted to come in and check it out and see how it looked. before I could divert him from the bathroom, he was in like flynn.

he comes out, jesus.. talk about weapons of mass destruction

what where you doing in there, hunting for osama and saddam.

he left my apartment chuckling.

so, now, we are back on the topic of weapons of mass destruction.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joey d


back to the story of WOMD though.. this oughtta be a good one.

i live in a nice apartment complex. one where the carpets were pre-stained. walls, pregrimy and the bathroom already falling apart. almost like palestine.. well, maybe not.

well, someone that lived above me decided to thaw a turkey in their sink, with hot running water.

the sink overflowed, ran down to my bathroom, and rotted the drywall and such. needed to be replaced.

so, the complex handy man came by and worked on it a few saturdays ago. at 8am mind you. I awoke to power saws ansd such being used in my livingroom.

so, i couldnt get up in the AM and take the 'ol faithful morning leak. or a shower for that matter.

so, I head to moms, do some laundry, go pee, and have some breakfast. I come back home later in the night, around 6pm, bathroom still isint done. by then, ive had lunch and breakfast wanted out.. i had nowhere to go.

so, a lil bit later, he finishes, I v-line it to the bathroom (which looks nice by the way) and dispose of breakfast and what part of lunch had digested.

the complex manager wanted to come in and check it out and see how it looked. before I could divert him from the bathroom, he was in like flynn.

he comes out, jesus.. talk about weapons of mass destruction

what where you doing in there, hunting for osama and saddam.

he left my apartment chuckling.

so, now, we are back on the topic of weapons of mass destruction.

ROFL!!!!!!!!