Pack up and leave Iraq?

[Army]

Originally posted by mcveighr


When were the people of Iraq starving? Have any proof to back comments like this?

FYI - The food shortage started after the war, before hand they ate well. You have to stop believing everything you hear.

The UN began economic sanctions in Iraq immediately after Desert Storm combat concluded. The US and UK made sure no other country violated this santion by "back-door" contracts (ie, France, Germany, Russia) to "help rebuild war-torn Iraq". Desert Storm did little to no damage to any major city or infrustructure. Immediately following major combat in Operation Iraqi Freedom, the US forced the UN to lift the 12 year old sanctions, so food, water, medicines, and humanitarian aid from around the world, could be brought in for the people. All this info was front page news for the last decade. It was also well known and proven, that the "Food for Oil" program provided billions that Saddam used to build over 65 new palaces for his friends, family, and associates. Meanwhile, the UN security council documented that the mortality rate of the Iraqi citizens skyrocketed, due to the closing and pillaging of hospitals, and the elimination of doctors that served the people.

Since the US has occupied Iraq, over 1000 MORE schools than in 2000 have been opened. Every University has been re-opened and restaffed. Every hospital has been re-opened, restocked (by those "evil" pharmaceutical companies at no cost) and re-staffed. More electrical power than ever before is now flashing through more powerlines than ever before. More water, to more cities and towns than ever before, is now flowing in more waterpipes than ever before. Nearly 70,ooo police are now on duty across the country, upholding the law, rather than extorting and murdering on Saddams whim.. There is a 125,ooo man Army, trained in real tactics and survival codes, to provide border security with a fair and even hand, instead of extortion and murder as Saddam ordered.

Those are the facts, despite what Ted "help me, I can't swim" Kennedy says.


Sam, I rarely agree with you....but you are absolutely spot on with bringing all our troops home. I've also said this since the '80's, when I did my first tour of Germany. Guests of the country? Hardly, when we controlled their economy and security. When it was proven to me that Germany and Japan could have been autonomous again back in the early '60's, I questioned any reason why we remained there. The Soviet threat, while real and dangerous, could have easily been handled by European forces, especially Germany. Our response to a Soviet invasion would have been typical, powerful, and staged from US soil. SKorea can also handle any invasion from the north, since the north has enough strength for only one punch. Bring 'em home!

Besides......I just got word today, that Kosovo may be in my near future ....or GITMO, which I would prefer.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


I guess that is the difference between you and I. I can enjoy a song, relate to and understand it's points and then realize it for what it is! An emotional response, not policy!

As for you link, whatever floats your boat!

Yeah, and in the case of that song, an irritational, not thought out, badly written emotional response that CALLS FOR WAR, which is the policy you have been supporting.

[shartley]

Originally posted by mcveighr
When were the people of Iraq starving? Have any proof to back comments like this?

FYI - The food shortage started after the war, before hand they ate well. You have to stop believing everything you hear.

Originally posted by paintballguy429
I think a speeding ticket is slightly different than WAR. Bad analogy

Originally posted by paintballguy429
Yeah, and in the case of that song, an irritational, not thought out, badly written emotional response that CALLS FOR WAR, which is the policy you have been supporting.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by shartley

No, I'm sorry, it was a bad analogy.

The US citing violations of international law as cause for war is like Jeffery Dohmer prosecuting murder trials.

The song is irrational! It essentially says that the US should be looking for a fight because of 9/11. Read it!

*EDIT* When you must resort to cussing to make your point, you only cause rational people to discount anything else you present. Army

[Demobilized]

In a recent poll of Iraqi citznes the majority of people want the US to leave Iraq, just not yet. They want us to rebuild for them and then let them run the country. Which I feel is a legitament request.

[mcveighr]

The US and UK made sure no other country violated this santion by "back-door" contracts (ie, France, Germany, Russia) to "help rebuild war-torn Iraq".

Is that why theyve been bombing them for 10 years?

I dont even like Ted Kennedy.

[PyRo]

Originally posted by Demobilized
In a recent poll of Iraqi citznes the majority of people want the US to leave Iraq, just not yet. They want us to rebuild for them and then let them run the country. Which I feel is a legitament request.

How simply it can be said in two sentances. This is exactly what we should do.

[Army]

Originally posted by mcveighr
Is that why theyve been bombing them for 10 years?

Who's bombing who? France/Germany/Russia bombing Iraq? The US bombing France/Germany/Russia? The Coalition forces taking out hot radar guided AAA/missile sites that, against UN treaty and sanction, Iraq used to track friendly aircraft, flying UN sanctioned and treaty authorized over-flights of the country?

Or...are you talking about the nearly 10 year wait between World Trade Center bombings?

Try to make legible sense when you next post.

[paintballguy429]

About an hour ago 6-8 mortars were shot at Baghdad Hotel, where Wolfowitz was staying.

Just more proof that by going into Iraq to PREVENT terrorism, we are simply giving terrorists "fuel for their fire".

[Yamz]

I am feeling the need to put my .02 in on this.

Bring our troops home... PLEASE. Our responce NO we have a job to do as much as we want to leave we have a job to do. Anyone who says iraq does not want us there tell that to the marine, sailor, seabee, soilder, and airman who have many random people of iraq running up to them and trying to hug them for freeing them. For the people who were active duty at one time we know what needs to be done even if we dont like it. As for the rest of you try talking to the troops who have been there and quit getting all your information from the extremely bias news networks.

[davidb]

Originally posted by paintballguy429
No, I'm sorry, it was a bad analogy. [/B]

Yeah, really, he was, like, comparing apples to oranges.

Oh, wait, no, cuz' a person being pulled over for speeding isn't an apple, and a war isn't an orange. I guess that time-honored analogy is faulty too, eh?

Of course a war is different from a traffic citation. That's why it's called an analogy and not a precedent. It was a good analogy, you just disagree with the point made by it. Too bad.

[davidb]

Oh, and about all the isolationism comments.. At the very least leave Gitmo open, I would hate for Fidel to get to see us leave it.

paintballguy429, it's common forum etiquette to, after making your first post in a thread, disable your sig in subsequent posts. You are now, most likely, noticing that I did not, in this case, bother to disable my sig, and in fact rarely do, and are being overcome with an urge to comment on this fact. Before you do, please bare in mind that my sig is both more original and much shorter than yours. (just messing with you, but seriously, that's a lot of dead weight to have hanging off of every post)

mcveighr, that "bombing for ten years" comment.. You must have been pretty desperate to get a comment in, eh? You somehow think it impossible that we could be, say, blowing up a military installation (SAM site, AAA, etc.) and trying to help the country's people, at the same time!!... It's really not that big a stretch of the imagination.

Here's another horrible analogy that doesn't work --

A doctor discovers that a women has a lump in her breast, which is found to be malignant. The doctor could allow the woman to live in relative stability until the cancer spread to a vital area and could no longer be dealt with, or she can undergo a mastectomy and get rid of the problem. Of course, this solution carries with it some problems of its own, but the health of the woman will nonetheless be assured. He could also take the chance that the cancer would never spread. He could even hope that it would simply go away, as does occasionally happen.

Now I will further ensure your rejection of this lunacy (maybe I could have come up with something better if it wasn't 2:00 AM.. well, 1:00 AM now) with a direct question! What should the doctor do?

[mcveighr]

Try to make legible sense when you next post

Yeah you're one to talk.

I meant that the US has been bombing Iraq for the past 10 years.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by davidb
Oh, and about all the isolationism comments.. At the very least leave Gitmo open, I would hate for Fidel to get to see us leave it.

paintballguy429, it's common forum etiquette to, after making your first post in a thread, disable your sig in subsequent posts. You are now, most likely, noticing that I did not, in this case, bother to disable my sig, and in fact rarely do, and are being overcome with an urge to comment on this fact. Before you do, please bare in mind that my sig is both more original and much shorter than yours. (just messing with you, but seriously, that's a lot of dead weight to have hanging off of every post)

mcveighr, that "bombing for ten years" comment.. You must have been pretty desperate to get a comment in, eh? You somehow think it impossible that we could be, say, blowing up a military installation (SAM site, AAA, etc.) and trying to help the country's people, at the same time!!... It's really not that big a stretch of the imagination.

Here's another horrible analogy that doesn't work --

A doctor discovers that a women has a lump in her breast, which is found to be malignant. The doctor could allow the woman to live in relative stability until the cancer spread to a vital area and could no longer be dealt with, or she can undergo a mastectomy and get rid of the problem. Of course, this solution carries with it some problems of its own, but the health of the woman will nonetheless be assured. He could also take the chance that the cancer would never spread. He could even hope that it would simply go away, as does occasionally happen.

Now I will further ensure your rejection of this lunacy (maybe I could have come up with something better if it wasn't 2:00 AM.. well, 1:00 AM now) with a direct question! What should the doctor do?

That, again will not work because of the fact that there was no legitimate proof that Saddam would act with the weapons he may or may not have had. However with your analogy, there would be proof that the cancer would spread.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by davidb


Yeah, really, he was, like, comparing apples to oranges.

Oh, wait, no, cuz' a person being pulled over for speeding isn't an apple, and a war isn't an orange. I guess that time-honored analogy is faulty too, eh?

Of course a war is different from a traffic citation. That's why it's called an analogy and not a precedent. It was a good analogy, you just disagree with the point made by it. Too bad.

No. It would work however if the cop was the most flagrant speeder on the road. His analogy does not recognize that.