Declassified C130 vid

[fire1811]

Originally posted by impostal22


you're right..we don't fly planes into buildings. it requires balls to do that. doesn't require balls to do what that video is displaying.

instead, we take over other countries (see noriega, school of americas, chile, etc etc) with brute force. for instance, september 11, 1973 (i think the year is right), there was a coup against a democratically elected president in chile..backed by the united states. we then put in a dictator, augusto pinochet, who was responsible for thousands of human rights violations. thousands died as a result of this coup, and thousands died because of pinochet. yet american lives are more valuable than chilean lives?

here's the problem. people(AMERICANS) think american lives are more valuable than anyone else's. we expected the WORLD to mourn for our people lost on 9/11/01. but WHO IN AMERICA mourned on 9/11/73? who mourns for the civilians lost in iraq, afghanistan? not many. know why? cuz somehow americans' lives are more valuable. you can argue it's because THEY attacked US. well yknow what, i would argue WE attacked THEM first, and it wasn't the CIVILIANS in these countries attacking US.

you would no nothing about the "balls" it takes to do anything are soilders are doing so dont speak of it.

and your example dates 1973. where you born in 1973?
NO so how is it that you know it was not mourned??

and who are you to speak for AMERICA?

[impostal22]

Originally posted by fire1811
impostal22 my only hope right now is that you or a few very close relative of yours is in the next "attack" as mine where.

you are pathetic!

now that was mature. i disagree with you, and you hope me or my family gets hurt because of it. how nice. you are f'ing ignorant to think i don't feel for those on 9/11/03. my great friend's father, a NYC firefighter, died as the first tower collapsed onto him. i went to his memorial, and cried. that DOES NOT MEAN I EXCUSE THE SAME SORT OF ACTS AGAINST NON-AMERICANS.

YOU, MY FRIEND, are pathetic. you debase me, HOPE that myself or my family gets hurt, BECAUSE YOU AND YOURS DID? what the hell planet were you born on? THIS IS A DEBATE OF FOREIGN POLICY, DO NOT MAKE IT PERSONAL.

just grow the f*ck up, man. just cuz you can't support your argument against me doesn't mean you should rely on harsh words to do the work for you. it is people like YOU that make discussing ANYTHING outside of phil's new invention, our favorite movies, or someone's girlfriend woes IMPOSSIBLE on AO. because of people like you, who cannot remain mature and talk about the subject at hand. you feel the need to debase others that disagree with you. get a grip, and GROW UP.

[cphilip]

Certainly more mature than your ignorant cursing tyrade. I tell it like it is. And your reaction and know it all stance is a little bit more than you have lived to be able to preach to me. And because I tell it like it is I will also add....

... you that your banned for three days for cursing. Another sign of your lack of respect and maturity.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by fire1811


you would no nothing about the "balls" it takes to do anything are soilders are doing so dont speak of it.

and your example dates 1973. where you born in 1973?
NO so how is it that you know it was not mourned??

and who are you to speak for AMERICA?

it's called keen observation of the world around us. who's mourning the current dead civilians in iraq, an event publicly broadcast and even on the public's conscience. I DONT SEE MANY. if we don't mourn these well known losses, who the HELL is gonna mourn the losses of the unknown events, like 9/11/73? oh and i *read* about it. maybe you should.

if you're gonna tell me it takes balls to fly a plane thousands of feet up, where there is no AA on the ground, bomb the hell out of who-the-hell-knows who, then YOU also "no nothing" about the balls it takes to do anything "are soilders" are doing.

[fire1811]

Originally posted by impostal22


it's called keen observation of the world around us. who's mourning the current dead civilians in iraq, an event publicly broadcast and even on the public's conscience. I DONT SEE MANY. if we don't mourn these well known losses, who the HELL is gonna mourn the losses of the unknown events, like 9/11/73? oh and i *read* about it. maybe you should.

if you're gonna tell me it takes balls to fly a plane thousands of feet up, where there is no AA on the ground, bomb the hell out of who-the-hell-knows who, then YOU also "no nothing" about the balls it takes to do anything "are soilders" are doing.

YOU dont see many people mourning so it must be true

have you ever flown a plane? been in the military? do you know all the details of this mission? I doubt it so how can you know that there was no "threat" to the crew?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by cphilip
... you that your banned for three days for cursing. Another sign of your lack of respect and maturity.

Email sent. Next time debate this with a little less cursing. Thats going to far. See you in three days.

[FactsOfLife]

Apparently the CollegeBoy factory is in full production....

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Apparently the CollegeBoy factory is in full production....

I would not say that. He was a much better debater than CB. You might not agree with everything he says, but he had several valid points, and he did not start the personal attacks.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon


I would not say that. He was a much better debater than CB. You might not agree with everything he says, but he had several valid points, and he did not start the personal attacks.

I'm talking about the blind ignorace gleaned from no doubt revised history books.

And I'm also alluding to the unbridled hatred of this country by these people.

And the fact that he seems to think we somehow DESERVED what happend on 9-11 is outright disgusting, and deserves nothing less than my full contempt.

[Zygote]

You're putting words in his mouth. Nowhere did he say we deserved the world trade center attack,or that he hates America. There's a significant difference between America and the American government.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by impostal22


yup..9/11 sucked...but yknow what? it's only a taste of the kind of crap we give other countries.

Yeah I sure put words in his mouth...

[oldsoldier]

Originally posted by Steelrat
"Puff the Magic Dragon" was the name given to C47s fitted with a few miniguns in the side. Those were the first gunships of that type, and were used in Vietnam. The current AC130s have much heavier armament, and much more sophisticated sensors.

Actually, "puffs" were the ac130's only fitted with one 105 mm. They have since evolved...and are now devastating. The Afghans nicknamed them the fist of allah, or something. Sucks to have your day ruined like that...but, its good to be on the giving end :)

[Zygote]

yup..9/11 sucked...but yknow what? it's only a taste of the kind of crap we give other countries.

Yeah I sure put words in his mouth...

What's your point? No one deserves being attacked like that, but there's more than one way to devastate a country. We did our part through the IMF to destroy Argentina's economy, and the result is a half million children on the brink of starvation. And we did it for money, not a cause anyone perceives as noble. They don't deserve it, we don't deserve it...but if we keep going the way we are, attacks will keep happening until eventually we'll have to have the entire world crushed under our heel just to be safe in our own homes.

[FactsOfLife]

My point?

My point is that I'm sick to death of liberals who seem to think this country is evil and would like to see it radically turned into some socialist/communist state.

My point is I'm tired of losers in College who think they know everything because they read it in a book.

My point is I look very closely at someone who makes statements, that somehow this country has perpetrated the same kinds of terroristic acts on the rest of the world that were done to us on 9-11.

My point is I'm tired of losers who think that this country has never made this world a better place. And also think that this country is NOT the greatest, most open, most free country that has EVER existed. And that wanting to have the resst of the world be able to share the GOD given right to freedom is evil.

Shall I continue?

[LudavicoSoldier]

Such are the costs of war. Being an American means that you can CHOOSE what you believe is right, BUT do not call those of us who support the actions of our government unamerican. You cant have it both ways. If you really dislike this country so much, get out! I'm sure the is a non left wing immigrant (legal or illegal) who would gladly take your place. But hey, this is America after all, and you ARE allowed to think what you want, but simply remember that the people who serve this country PROVIDE you that luxury, and calling them terrorists is completely uncalled for. Do YOU think you could do a better job of keeping the worlds only superpower in the game? Do you?