Where does AO lie on the Political Compass?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by impostal22


i would argue that as you get older you get more concerned about what affects you directly rather than what affects everybody as a whole. this is also proven very much by the big rightwinger-old-folk() on this board. the majority of right wing issues are focused upon what affects individuals directly, anyway, so there's really no point in arguing it.

Yes, you're right.

That whole security thing us right wingers moan aboat is our personal safety. After all, I guess by your reasoning I shouldn't care about terrorism because what are the odds of a jumbo jet being flown into my office building.

No,
The right is more concerned with stability, security, fairness while the left is on their version of fairness.

Right-Legistature makes laws

Left-Don't like the laws, don't fight them democratically, get the courts to change them for you. (See Massachussetts and Gay Marriages.)

[impostal22]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Right-Legistature makes laws

Left-Don't like the laws, don't fight them democratically, get the courts to change them for you. (See Massachussetts and Gay Marriages.)

there you're arguing democrats v. republicans, not the ideals of each side of the political spectrum.

i agree completely with what you said, because in reality, the two parties are NOT different at all. democrats whine way too much without doing anything about it. republicans act too much without thinking about it. both suck, we need some third party action

[nastymag]

[i]Originally posted by Rooster
LOL! This is the funniest thing I have ever read. The left is all about the people, lets benifit everyone! Not quite. The left is about stealing from one to give to another. The left wants what they are too stupid or lazy to achieve. The right beleives that you need to earn what you recieve, and a man who does nothing, deserves nothing. But its nice you think so highly of yourself and your cuase, even if you are completely delusional. [/B]

i swear every time Rooster posts its to say some one elses beliefs are wrong and that they are stupid. Rooster, the only thing you sound like when you say things like that is an extremist. Things are never as simple as you just stated, in your world everything is 2 diminsional. but its nice you think so highly of yourself and your knowledge of the world... even if you are totally delusional

[Miscue]

I dunno... I find most of what Rooster says to be on the mark, although I would not say those things myself.

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by Miscue
I dunno... I find most of what Rooster says to be on the mark, although I would not say those things myself.

Neither would most sane people.

[mcveighr]

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

Kucinich 100%
Sharpton 84%
Dean 81%
Edwards 78%
Kerry 77%
Clark 73%
Bush 19%

[Miscue]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016
Neither would most sane people.

It's not a matter of being sane. I personally have a lot of political opinions that I keep to myself, that most would find too radical.

There are a lot of ideas that are considered "insane," that through time become universally accepted.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Miscue


It's not a matter of being sane. I personally have a lot of political opinions that I keep to myself, that most would find too radical.

There are a lot of ideas that are considered "insane," that through time become universally accepted.

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by Miscue
I personally have a lot of political opinions that I keep to myself, that most would find too radical.

ooh ooh...cmon lets hear them :)

JDub

[Mr.mike]

woohoo im a commie authoritarian

economic: -3.5
social: 3.54

[impostal22]

Originally posted by shartley

there's a big difference between that and just belittling others' views because you're a belligerent person who can't defend their position.

miscue, there's also a difference between stating political opinions and doing what i just said. having political opinions doesn't mean you think the opposition is stupid. and to claim such makes any real things you have to say invalidated.

people who don't realize that the other side is quite possibly just as "right on the mark" as you are too full of themselves and their views to do so. again, a nice big unattractive character flaw.

[Rooster]

"there's a big difference between that and just belittling others' views because you're a belligerent person who can't defend their position.

miscue, there's also a difference between stating political opinions and doing what i just said. having political opinions doesn't mean you think the opposition is stupid. and to claim such makes any real things you have to say invalidated.

people who don't realize that the other side is quite possibly just as "right on the mark" as you are too full of themselves and their views to do so. again, a nice big unattractive character flaw."

I don't defend my possition becuase I know liberals are incapable of understanding reason. I have no reason to be nice, or polite, or politically correct about my views. What I have to say makes perfect sense to anyone with the slightest ability to reason. Your view of reality is wrong, and I'm going to tell you its wrong everytime. Welcome to reality.

[Restola]

Originally posted by impostal22
people who don't realize that the other side is quite possibly just as "right on the mark" as you are too full of themselves and their views to do so. again, a nice big unattractive character flaw.

Except I (obviously) believe evidence exists for the last 70 years about why liberalism doesn't work.

So there's no possibility of you being "right on the mark". You are totally wrong. "Share the wealth" through government redistribution doesn't work. It hasn't solved a single problem ever.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Rooster
I don't defend my possition becuase I know liberals are incapable of understanding reason. I have no reason to be nice, or polite, or politically correct about my views. What I have to say makes perfect sense to anyone with the slightest ability to reason. Your view of reality is wrong, and I'm going to tell you its wrong everytime. Welcome to reality.

This is where I'm going to disagree with you Rooster. I typically agree with you politically and philosopically (with some minor nuances here and there) but on this I disagree.

It's easy to say "I don't explain because such and such side refuses to listen" and in some instances it's correct. However, if you won't explain then there's no point in saying anything in the first place. What possible good does it do anyone if I state "John Kerry will be destoyed in November" if I don't add "because he's scored higher on the liberal meter then Ted Kennedy and his war record is no shield against his blatantly anti-security voting record"? Debate is the exchange of ideas, not the spouting of sound bites.

And you do have a reason to be nice. This is a community, and it's our community. The other guys may be liberals, and thus in your (and my) view of a lower grasp of reality then they should be, but they are OUR liberals. And as members of our community they deserve a certain level of respect and deference. Not because of their opinions, but simply for being a part of our community.

And there is a reason to be politcally correct. Because the forum has rules and we should observe the rules. The mods are pretty good about giving us leeway, but we shouldn't take that for granted.

And your statements make perfect sense to people that reason like you and I (and Shartley and 1st Deadeye) do. They do not make sense to P8ntballabcd, Collegeboy, and to a lesser extent Aaronmag. Just because they don't agree with us doesn't mean they're morons. (Although that doesn't automatically mean they aren't).

Anyway, I really don't want to "pick" on you, because I typically do agree with your points and you being here means I have to respond to less things then I would without you (or Sam who really does a lot of the argueing I would normally do for me - Thanks Sam). But if we can't be civil to members of our own community then what does that say about us?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Restola
So there's no possibility of you being "right on the mark". You are totally wrong. "Share the wealth" through government redistribution doesn't work. It hasn't solved a single problem ever.

Lies.

It solved the problem of Russia and China ever being super powers.

I'm all for foreign governments pursuing redistribution of wealth as a policy. Have at it guys. And while you're doing that save enough money for a really good lock for your nuclear arms :)