Where does AO lie on the Political Compass?

[FordPrefect]

Economic l/r: -6.38
Libertarian/authortarian: -5.90

[shartley]

Originally posted by impostal22
hey sam- sure, christians believe that homosexuality is bad. but who's saying the christians are any more right than any other religious sect? basing laws on one set of religious beliefs is dangerous especially when there are more than just christians in the world. too bad most christians don't realize that, and none of them like it

[impostal22]

Originally posted by shartley

my apologies sam. i suppose what i was saying was directed more at people who use the argument that "homosexuality is a sin" to defend the banning of gay marriages.

and you're right about all religious groups thinking they're right. that's all i'm gonna say about that cuz i think debating religion will get this thread closed.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by impostal22
uh..if we're going to go that route, we should do it with all of the constitution. like the right to bear arms was to protect citizens from british invasion, not to allow people to have fully automatic weapons. but, that won't work. why? because the argument will be "it says blablabla, doesn't matter what was implied."

Uhm you are wrong. Read some of the founding fathers thought on this matter. An armed populace is the best defense against tyranny! No I'll agree on the fully automatic weapons issue. No one "needs" them, but I sure am not going to take them away from the legal and law abiding citizens who may own one now.

1de- what about the president's newfound right to subvert the right to habeas corpus, by declaring people "enemy combatants"? you're going to tell me that isn't an invasion of our "certain unalienable rights"? the list goes on.
That is not part of the patriot act. The patriot act is about increased legal penalties and surveliance.

As for the enemy combatant declaration, how many American Citizens have been designated as such? Jose Padilla for attempting to assemple a dirty bomb and kill thousands of people. Two more who are in Gitmo that were captured in combat against our forces? That makes them traitors and the punishment for treason is death! I am okay with executing them now.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

As for the enemy combatant declaration, how many American Citizens have been designated as such? Jose Padilla for attempting to assemple a dirty bomb and kill thousands of people. Two more who are in Gitmo that were captured in combat against our forces? That makes them traitors and the punishment for treason is death! I am okay with executing them now.

it wasn't ever proven that jose padilla was trying to assemble a dirty bomb (i don't think). the point is, that you'll argue that subverting the system through judicial activism, for instance, is evil. but you won't argue that subverting the law, and our rights, through this is evil. while it's likely that jose padilla was in fact trying to make a dirty bomb, which isn't going to get my support (duh), he still has the right to a fair trial. why wasn't he given the right to a fair trial one must wonder.

and there was another guy, i forget his name (but i'll look it up if i must), who was taken away on his way into work by the FBI. he had no knowledge of his charges, no contact with his family, etc etc. why? because he was declared an enemy combatant. it was later proven he wasn't in fact a terrorist, and released. no citizen should have to live in terror of their government, and that's what this ability the president has been given ensures.

oh, and if it wasn't granted to him via the patriot act, where was it given to him?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by impostal22


it wasn't ever proven that jose padilla was trying to assemble a dirty bomb (i don't think). the point is, that you'll argue that subverting the system through judicial activism, for instance, is evil. but you won't argue that subverting the law, and our rights, through this is evil. while it's likely that jose padilla was in fact trying to make a dirty bomb, which isn't going to get my support (duh), he still has the right to a fair trial. why wasn't he given the right to a fair trial one must wonder.

The case isn't over yet first. So relax. Second he is being held in a military brig because he is accused of an act of war, not a crime.

and there was another guy, i forget his name (but i'll look it up if i must), who was taken away on his way into work by the FBI. he had no knowledge of his charges, no contact with his family, etc etc. why? because he was declared an enemy combatant. it was later proven he wasn't in fact a terrorist, and released. no citizen should have to live in terror of their government, and that's what this ability the president has been given ensures.

Find it and then we will discuss it. I think I heard about... is not proof.

oh, and if it wasn't granted to him via the patriot act, where was it given to him?

It was done through executive order.

[Kai]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

Find it and then we will discuss it. I think I heard about... is not proof.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/06/60minutes/main548023.shtml

Discuss.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Kai

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/06/60minutes/main548023.shtml

Discuss.

thank you kai

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Well that article right there proves what I fear. The loss of rights granted by the Constitution.

Only 10% of the Muslims subjected to this actually committed a crime, and I doubt very few, if any had any thing at all to do with a terrorsit organization.

And the things that they were subjected to while in prison are horrible, no lawyers, no phone calls, solitary confinement (although it may have been needed to protect them) Just because the were Muslim is horrible.

[shartley]

Originally posted by impostal22
my apologies sam. i suppose what i was saying was directed more at people who use the argument that "homosexuality is a sin" to defend the banning of gay marriages.

and you're right about all religious groups thinking they're right. that's all i'm gonna say about that cuz i think debating religion will get this thread closed.

Hey, no problem. And you are so very correct. That is why I give it a WIDE berth.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata

And the things that they were subjected to while in prison are horrible, no lawyers, no phone calls, solitary confinement (although it may have been needed to protect them) Just because the were Muslim is horrible.

let's not forget no knowledge of your charges! so they can keep you there because they THINK you're doing something, and you wouldn't know any better :)

[Rooster]

Just out of curiocity, how many members of Al-Quaida arn't Muslim?

[PyRo]

Originally posted by Rooster
Just out of curiocity, how many members of Al-Quaida arn't Muslim?

I don't know, lets just go ask Bin Laden :)

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by Rooster
Just out of curiocity, how many members of Al-Quaida arn't Muslim?

How many members of Al Qaeda were involved in the Oklahoma city bombing, or the sniper attack. And the recent infected letter sent to Congress most likely aren't Al Qaeda

[Rooster]

The boston strangler, ted bundy, the texas bell tower shooter, Tojo, Hitler, and Jack the Ripper wern't muslim either. Was there some point to your post?